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Should nullsec industry > hisec industry?

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Dave Stark
#1041 - 2013-04-10 10:53:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
DrClit wrote:
I think what you are trying to do is sugar coat the fact that just becuase you live in null sec gives you the right to earn more isk, just because.


if you really did think, perhaps you would have noticed i'm in an npc corp. hence, i don't live in null.

the very fact that mining the ores in null sec requires more training time is the reason null sec ores should be worth more, not just because they're in null.
just like the same way level 4 missions are worth more than level 1 missions because you have to spend more time training to fly things capable of dealing with the missions.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1042 - 2013-04-10 10:56:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Bi-Mi Lansatha
DrClit wrote:
...The risk of attack is much higher in high sec just becuase the chance of the unexpected happening is much higher than living in null sec...

....If you get caught in a belt in null sec thats your own fault for not watching intel, not being on comms, not being in a fleet, being part of an alliance that doesn't have a roaming defence fleet and not being aligned to warp to a safe point...
During my seven weeks of mining in highsec, I never got attack. That was last Oct/Nov, so thing may have changed drastically, but I have my doubts. A max yield Procurer with a tank has little chance of being attacked, if you use some OPSEC. Even if you did lose one, it can easily be replace with two hours of mining.

I can't speak for other areas... and not even with that much experience..., but in CVA space you get reds a lot. Plus questionable neutrals. I don't mine there, but I do have a toon there.
DrClit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1043 - 2013-04-10 11:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DrClit
Dave Stark wrote:


if you really did think, perhaps you would have noticed i'm in an npc corp. hence, i don't live in null.

the very fact that mining the ores in null sec requires more training time is the reason null sec ores should be worth more, not just because they're in null.
just like the same way level 4 missions are worth more than level 1 missions because you have to spend more time training to fly things capable of dealing with the missions.


Thats complete rubbish you can mine all types of ore with level 1 skills. missioning is completely different since you are right to complete the hard missions solo you need higher skills. I remember the days of sitting mining Arkonor in a hulk rigged up for max yield per cycle and did it fairly effectively with bare mining skills.

You said it right there - why should someone in high sec suffer when they spent the same amount of time training mining skills to maximise their isk/hour then someone who does it in null sec? They've spent the same amount of time training so deserves to be rewarded.

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During my seven weeks of mining in highsec, I never got attack. That was last Oct/Nov, so thing may have changed drastically, but I have my doubts. A max yield Procurer with a tank has little chance of being attacked, if you use some OPSEC. Even if you did lose one, it can easily be replace with two hours of mining.

I can't speak for other areas... and not even with that much experience..., but in CVA space you get reds a lot. Plus questionable neutrals. I don't mine there, but I do have a toon there.


Im not sure what point you are making here? If you read my comments i was talking about the concentration of players and the risk of the unexpected happening is much greater in high sec than in null sec where the concetration of players is much less.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1044 - 2013-04-10 11:21:20 UTC
DrClit wrote:
...Im not sure what point you are making here?...
It might have been a non-sequitur post from me. Just saying, from my experience, the risk in 0.0 is worse than Highsec.
Dave Stark
#1045 - 2013-04-10 11:21:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


if you really did think, perhaps you would have noticed i'm in an npc corp. hence, i don't live in null.

the very fact that mining the ores in null sec requires more training time is the reason null sec ores should be worth more, not just because they're in null.
just like the same way level 4 missions are worth more than level 1 missions because you have to spend more time training to fly things capable of dealing with the missions.


Thats complete rubbish you can mine all types of ore with level 1 skills. missioning is completely different since you are right to complete the hard missions solo you need higher skills. I remember the days of sitting mining Arkonor in a hulk rigged up for max yield per cycle and did it fairly effectively with bare mining skills.

You said it right there - why should someone in high sec suffer when they spent the same amount of time training mining skills to maximise their isk/hour then someone who does it in null sec? They've spent the same amount of time training so deserves to be rewarded.


and you can fly a raven with nothing but caldari battleship II or something.

how is missioning different? need higher skills for harder missions, just like you need higher skills to mine, and refine rarer (or, "harder") ores.

but they haven't spent the same amount of time training skills. veldspar processing, for example, is a much faster train than things like arkonor processing. why shouldn't you be rewarded for spending the extra time training arkonor instead of veldspar?
DrClit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1046 - 2013-04-10 11:37:51 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


if you really did think, perhaps you would have noticed i'm in an npc corp. hence, i don't live in null.

the very fact that mining the ores in null sec requires more training time is the reason null sec ores should be worth more, not just because they're in null.
just like the same way level 4 missions are worth more than level 1 missions because you have to spend more time training to fly things capable of dealing with the missions.


Thats complete rubbish you can mine all types of ore with level 1 skills. missioning is completely different since you are right to complete the hard missions solo you need higher skills. I remember the days of sitting mining Arkonor in a hulk rigged up for max yield per cycle and did it fairly effectively with bare mining skills.

You said it right there - why should someone in high sec suffer when they spent the same amount of time training mining skills to maximise their isk/hour then someone who does it in null sec? They've spent the same amount of time training so deserves to be rewarded.


and you can fly a raven with nothing but caldari battleship II or something.

how is missioning different? need higher skills for harder missions, just like you need higher skills to mine, and refine rarer (or, "harder") ores.

but they haven't spent the same amount of time training skills. veldspar processing, for example, is a much faster train than things like arkonor processing. why shouldn't you be rewarded for spending the extra time training arkonor instead of veldspar?


Read my post again and try to make sense of it. People who spend the time training to make their isk/hour more efficient should be rewarded i say that quite clearly.
Dave Stark
#1047 - 2013-04-10 11:39:25 UTC
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


if you really did think, perhaps you would have noticed i'm in an npc corp. hence, i don't live in null.

the very fact that mining the ores in null sec requires more training time is the reason null sec ores should be worth more, not just because they're in null.
just like the same way level 4 missions are worth more than level 1 missions because you have to spend more time training to fly things capable of dealing with the missions.


Thats complete rubbish you can mine all types of ore with level 1 skills. missioning is completely different since you are right to complete the hard missions solo you need higher skills. I remember the days of sitting mining Arkonor in a hulk rigged up for max yield per cycle and did it fairly effectively with bare mining skills.

You said it right there - why should someone in high sec suffer when they spent the same amount of time training mining skills to maximise their isk/hour then someone who does it in null sec? They've spent the same amount of time training so deserves to be rewarded.


and you can fly a raven with nothing but caldari battleship II or something.

how is missioning different? need higher skills for harder missions, just like you need higher skills to mine, and refine rarer (or, "harder") ores.

but they haven't spent the same amount of time training skills. veldspar processing, for example, is a much faster train than things like arkonor processing. why shouldn't you be rewarded for spending the extra time training arkonor instead of veldspar?


Read my post again and try to make sense of it. People who spend the time training to make their isk/hour more efficient should be rewarded i say that quite clearly.


i tried but it's full of things that are just plain incorrect. my response was just correcting you.
Anva Dante
Bunch of Noobs Logistics
#1048 - 2013-04-10 11:39:37 UTC
Short answer: "No"

Long Answer: "nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
DrClit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1049 - 2013-04-10 11:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: DrClit
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


if you really did think, perhaps you would have noticed i'm in an npc corp. hence, i don't live in null.

the very fact that mining the ores in null sec requires more training time is the reason null sec ores should be worth more, not just because they're in null.
just like the same way level 4 missions are worth more than level 1 missions because you have to spend more time training to fly things capable of dealing with the missions.


Thats complete rubbish you can mine all types of ore with level 1 skills. missioning is completely different since you are right to complete the hard missions solo you need higher skills. I remember the days of sitting mining Arkonor in a hulk rigged up for max yield per cycle and did it fairly effectively with bare mining skills.

You said it right there - why should someone in high sec suffer when they spent the same amount of time training mining skills to maximise their isk/hour then someone who does it in null sec? They've spent the same amount of time training so deserves to be rewarded.


and you can fly a raven with nothing but caldari battleship II or something.

how is missioning different? need higher skills for harder missions, just like you need higher skills to mine, and refine rarer (or, "harder") ores.

but they haven't spent the same amount of time training skills. veldspar processing, for example, is a much faster train than things like arkonor processing. why shouldn't you be rewarded for spending the extra time training arkonor instead of veldspar?


Read my post again and try to make sense of it. People who spend the time training to make their isk/hour more efficient should be rewarded i say that quite clearly.


i tried but it's full of things that are just plain incorrect. my response was just correcting you.


Are you talking about "MINING" or "Reprocessing" since now you are talking about something 2 completely different acts.
Dave Stark
#1050 - 2013-04-10 11:43:45 UTC
DrClit wrote:
Are you talking about "MINING" or "Reprocessing" since now you are talking about something completely different.


both, it applies to both equally.
DrClit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1051 - 2013-04-10 11:50:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Are you talking about "MINING" or "Reprocessing" since now you are talking about something completely different.


both, it applies to both equally.


I dont think it does since you can have someone do it for you and there are people that have "specialised" in having max processing yield. What has that got to do with null sec versus high sec?
Dave Stark
#1052 - 2013-04-10 11:51:47 UTC
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Are you talking about "MINING" or "Reprocessing" since now you are talking about something completely different.


both, it applies to both equally.


I dont think it does since you can have someone do it for you and there are people that have "specialised" in having max processing yield. What has that got to do with null sec versus high sec?


could just, y'know read my posts and then you'd realise what this has to do with high sec and null sec.
DrClit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1053 - 2013-04-10 11:56:04 UTC  |  Edited by: DrClit
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Are you talking about "MINING" or "Reprocessing" since now you are talking about something completely different.


both, it applies to both equally.


I dont think it does since you can have someone do it for you and there are people that have "specialised" in having max processing yield. What has that got to do with null sec versus high sec?


could just, y'know read my posts and then you'd realise what this has to do with high sec and null sec.


Nope im obviously well below your intelligence so spell it out for me.

If its the point that to process arknor you need skills which means you should have a higher isk/hour then i've agreed with you.
Dave Stark
#1054 - 2013-04-10 11:58:11 UTC
DrClit wrote:
nope


small victory for me then.
DrClit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1055 - 2013-04-10 11:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: DrClit
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
nope


small victory for me then.


I didnt realise having a discussion on a forum was a form of pvp.

But since you claimed victory im still waiting for you to write a half decent reply.
Dave Stark
#1056 - 2013-04-10 12:01:40 UTC
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
nope


small victory for me then.


I didnt realise having a discussion on a forum was a form of pvp.

But since you claimed victory im still waiting for you to write a have decent reply.


you wouldn't be waiting if you'd read my posts. *shrug*
DrClit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1057 - 2013-04-10 12:03:38 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
nope


small victory for me then.


I didnt realise having a discussion on a forum was a form of pvp.

But since you claimed victory im still waiting for you to write a have decent reply.


you wouldn't be waiting if you'd read my posts. *shrug*


I read your posts and i'm asking your to use the single brain cell you have to explain what this has to do with high sec industry versus null sec.
Dave Stark
#1058 - 2013-04-10 12:04:37 UTC
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
DrClit wrote:
nope


small victory for me then.


I didnt realise having a discussion on a forum was a form of pvp.

But since you claimed victory im still waiting for you to write a have decent reply.


you wouldn't be waiting if you'd read my posts. *shrug*


I read your posts and i'm asking your to use the single brain cell you have to explain what this has to do with high sec industry versus null sec.


go read my posts and find out.
DrClit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1059 - 2013-04-10 12:09:07 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:



go read my posts and find out.


LOL....

you sound like Sheldon Cooper stuck in a loop so ill leave you there since it seems completely beyond you to have a civilised discussion.
Dave Stark
#1060 - 2013-04-10 12:10:45 UTC
DrClit wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:



go read my posts and find out.


LOL....

you sound like Sheldon Cooper stuck in a loop so ill leave you there since it seems completely beyond you to have a civilised discussion.


hard to do that when one party refuses to read the posts.