Market Discussions

Hi Katica.

Please read this thread thoroughly, should answer all your questions, TL:DR saturation.

Thank you for the explanataion, but now I'm still confused lol.

Is this not perfect investment opportunity, like to buy now and re-sell later?
And if it is, how come this ships are not bought already by some big players, its like 10m profit per unit?

You'd need to be a multitrillionaire to buy up the whole market, and push prices towards the actual build value. It's simply undoable, as well as take a LONG time to liquidate again.


+ What candy says.

Thank you everyone for enlightening me, you are awesome!

I have few thoughts about this, still.

So lot of people has invested already, including big players.
Big players are big.
Because they are big, they are influential.
Since they are influential, can they not engineer more demand?

For example, Brutixes are used to suicide gank (although did I hear that this is not so viable anymore?), if they organize some ganking contest, people would buy Brutix.

Prophecy looks like fleet ship, and some people call Cyclone as "new Drake", so while ships are still cheap can they not make their alliances use them in fights? "Whelpclones" comes to mind, etc.

Even if so, big alliances like goonswarm have stocks that could last them for atleast a year if they would mostly field BC's, so really it's just too late to really make a difference. Like bobby said, there are much better investment opportunities at hand right now.

You actually might be quite surprised how small (and in some cases non-existent) the ship stocks of some big alliances are. It depends quite a lot on the nature and organisation of their reimbursement programs as well as the foresight of their logistics, support and leadership personnel.

It is not uncommon for a fleet whelp to result in a specific ship hull being entirely stripped from the Jita marketplace. It is also not uncommon for an unexpected docterine choice for a specific operation to suddenly result in the same.

Hm? I also mentioned 'could have'... I have no clue what their actual ship stocks could hold since I am a fairly lowballing player in the market, especially compared to some. Though the point remains, wether or not there might be long term profit in buying the market as it is now, it's simply not worth it to get in now.

It varies widely from alliance to alliance and within each alliance as policies change.

I've seen alliances with hull-for-lossmail type reimbursement policies carry ridiculous stocks of ships. But I've not seen anything like that for a while. I think most alliances have learned that this approach to reimbursement gives poor results in exchange for excessive cost and effort. It has a severe negative effect on the mobility and adaptability of the alliance war machine.

I've also seen alliances carry no more than a couple of JFs and SMBs full of high priority reimbursement hulls (e.g. logistics, dictors, hictors, link vessels, bombers and cynoships). This was the policy in both alliances in which I held leadership positions.

I also know of at least one alliance that maintains a stock of several hundred capital hulls at the alliance level.

The thing about battlecruiser hulls is that they can be effectively acquired, produced or shipped with little effort, time or cost and by just about any competent alliance logistician. So there isn't really a good reason to stockpile them at the kind of scale that would have these kind of massive market effects. Capitals, pirate vessels and limited-issue ships are a different matter.

Mineral prices could drop over the course of the next 6 months to a year eliminating any potential profit gain. Investing in ship hulls is by no means a sure thing.

True but we still have the bs changes coming in a few months so till after summer it should be 'reasonably safe' .Offcourse one never is 100% sure in eve .