Jita Park Speakers Corner

The same happen with people not involved in hisec, they all have a somehow unrealistic idea about the profitabiity of hisec activities.

For a solo hiseccer, 15 million/hour is a realistic average top income. That means playing some 35 hours each month to fund your subcription with PLEX -and it used to be less than 30 hours just a couple years ago. This income may get a bit higher with incursions and it's certainly lower with hisec mining.

As I've said many times, what's broken with hisec is not risk/reward. On the other hand, lowsec provides too few reward for the risk involved, but that's not hisec's fault.


IB4 "LOLfail, you suxx at hisec, me makes 50 million/hour": people not involved in hisec, they all have a somehow unrealistic idea about the profitability of hisec activities.

Mission income is actually hard to evaluate, partly because there are so many anecdotal claims flying around.


"A bit" higher. Understatement of the century. The only thing working against Incursions, really, is that you have to follow them from region to region and can't quite just sit in one place and chain-farm them forever.



On the other hand, an unboosted Mackinaw with Exhumers IV.

Mineral prices are sort of insane right now.


What's so funny? "A tech moon is worth 7.2 million/hour" is factually true.

The winter minutes one? You'd have to refresh my memory there, because I don't really remember saying "I am The Mittani" there, except maybe as a joke.

I'd say 15-30M an hour isn't that unrealistic for casual players. Of course, those in pimped out ships running a level 4 in 15 min will make more, but they're hardly the average player.

I'm sure the tech moon comment was just a throw away, but you don't help your argument comparing mission running to 'passive' incomes, regardless of the source.

I said 'passive' knowing someone would come in and say that. Curious how many tech moons goons lost this year, last year?

Straight up lost, or lost and regained? Better yet, forget that argument and ask NCdot and Raiden how many tech moons they lost last year.

It's also worth taking into account the assets expended and time spent to acquire & retain those tech moons.

One of us has run in excess of 1,000 Lvl4s. I can tell for your shaky hands when thinking of running yet another one right now.

15 million per hour is a sensible average. Sometimes you just travel to Jita. Sometimes you bag 80 million in an hour. LPs must be traded and the result sold. Wrecks must be salvaged and the result sold. Sometimes you are offered the wrong mission for your standing catering, twice in a row. Sometimes you're offered time comsuming garbage 3 jumps away. Sometimes you will lose a ship, or more often your drones (at 400 k per Hobo II, that's a funny way to balance mission turnout). Sometimes you botch it and start yo-yoing in and out for an hour because of wrong aggro. Sometimes you just shift your base as an agent is reaching 10.0 standing and rewards get pretty funny after that.

As average, you may expect getting 15 million per hour played.

That's 2 hours of a tech moon, according to mynna, but unfortunately running missions for 12 hours a day would be a tad more difficult than just turn something on and keep it going while you're logged off.

Technetium 'moon's only worth 7.2M a month? You are doing something wrong.

He clarified above; he meant "7.2M per hour"