EVE General Discussion

Hisec warfare is absolutely terrible.

However, it should be made viable, not just removed.

The concern I share with Mittens is that non-consensual pvp mechanics are continually being nerfed from hisec. Carebears applaud, but many feel non-consensual pvp is what makes EVE special and different from other MMO's.

So there's the paradox, you can potentially get more subscribers in the short term with nerfing hisec, but what if your 'Facebook' then becomes less special and cool and turns into a 'Myspace'?

It used to be that acquired hard-won knowledge in EVE 'unlocked' the ability to collect tears from those less educated, and the circle of life continued. While still the case, this is now much less so...

You steal a can from a miner and drop it? He now just takes it back with no risk, effectively killing can flipping. Hello-Kitty +1.
You want to gank a miner? Oops, again CCP has made this harder & less profitable to reduce occurances. Hello-Kitty +1
The Venture, a mining ship with built-in warp stab? Hello-Kitty +1

...and now we hear about the 'idea' or 'study' to make wardecs mutual only? Hello-Kitty +1,000.

Sure war decs are broken and need fixing, but killing it entirely is not the answer. Making wars mutual only will kill it.

Can flipping is still very viable, "if" you know how to do it.

Ganking a miner should not commonly be about instant profit. Other goals should be the motivating force.

The Venture is the most destroyed mining vessel in the game, by far.

The "study" was to determine what needs to be changed about the war dec system, not to prove they should be mutual only.

Nobody but you and James are suggesting there is any momentum toward removing the war dec mechanic.

Even if NPC corps were eliminated and individuals were locked into their corps during wars I doubt we'd see much combat increase and instead just see lower activity overall. Making a wardec inescapable isn't the same as forcing people to fight so unless people start getting logged in automatically and jettisoned from stations into space evasion will just be reduced to inactivity.

Can flipping is not can flipping anymore. Its suspect-baiting, you steal from a can to get a suspect flag and anyone BUT the intended target agresses you. i.e. The miner you looted from is NOT incentivized to agress you to get his crap back, and no longer aggro's when reclaiming his crap. Ergo the new mechanic just acts like a broader dual system, can flipping was killed in that the miner was bubble-wrapped. Knowledge is no longer key, a pre-defaulted 'safety' ensures warm fuzzy Hello-Kitty'ness for all miners throughout the EVE land....

Ganking was made less profitable, again irrefutably the pendulum swung towards Carebear bubble-wrapping and away from 'fit your ship properly based on knowledge so you can't be ganked'.

The Venture no doubt is the most destroyed because its the most used, again because the of the inbuilt warp stab. Question is, how many MORE would be getting splashed without said stab. More bubble wrap....

I will be happy to find out you are right and this notion of mutual-only wars doesn't happen, I am just saying if it does the cure will be worse than the disease.

Want to kill Eve.

Nerf High Sec into the ground and cater to the hypocrites. First to go will be the economy. Then Sub numbers will drop steadily.

The game will go down hill but the QQ along the way will be glorious. I would keep my subs long enough to see the end though.

/popcorn

Risk averse null sec'rs leading the charge against risk averse high sec'rs.

Its glorious!

You should read his blog he has listed under corp.

For folks who thrive off of others tears in game they sure shed their fair share on the forums.

Sure I read your crap. Why do you think I respond to you?

You want me to defend something, right? Then start attacking it first.

All I see is "I will unsub if they do this". If this is your attack then it is the worst I have ever seen.

On the subject of can flipping, my point stands. It can be done if you know how, but it is more convoluted than it used to be.

I was, and still am, a big advocate of "if you don't want to be ganked mining, fit your ship and fly it accordingly". However the incentive was not, and never was supposed to be instant profit... and I can understand that. Other goals should apply... goals that drive miner ganking from a random yet profitable enterprise to being one that has ulterior motives. Whether those motives involve market manipulations or are more targeted to cripple a specific organization. The fact that the rebalancing gave actual reasons to fly the other mining vessels besides the Hulk was worth it in and of itself.

Yes, the Venture has built in warp stabs, so does a Deep Space Transport... and a Blockade runner is agile and can cloak. None of these has managed to keep these ship types from being viable and frequently destroyed targets. If they lacked those abilities they would be fairly useless ships, and ultimately fewer would be destroyed because nobody would be flying them. They would have no hope of successfully performing the job they are designed to do.

I don't think you have anything to worry about, as CCP spent their entire time patiently explaining the reasons why mutual only wars was a bad idea in their mind... and violated some of the most fundamental aspects of the game.