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I'm sorry, there's a no cowards clause, you'll need to post from your main, or not be taken seriously.

So where does that leave me as all of my manufacturing is done in Hi-sec, I have no characters in Null and I wish to see a nerfing of NPC facilities (in broad terms, as I want a price hike)?

To put it bluntly I would like to have a longer path as an industrialist.

Pilots Pve and Pvp have so many paths to chose from and skill for while as an industrialist I can mine via frigate=>cruiser=>Mining barge=>Exhumer or I can be purely manufacturing which is even less skilling and time PE 5=>construction skill=>construction skill=>construction skill.

Kind of flat and frankly boring, I would like to see industry have more depth where owning my own production facilities mattered. Where risking the isk I make Mattered. Where on logging on the things I chose to do above the casual manufacturer mattered.

PvP and PvE have so many paths to chose from in so many ships in the form of subcaps, caps and supers and all the T2 varieties, in those fields the more you risk the better your odds in industry it is the opposite, it is the less I risk.

Just do what Time magazine does and choose the AFK Mackinaw as the hi sec representative. Its hold is big enough to carry all its supports to a better pasture.

Uncle Shadoo said it so it has to be true!

Sure the HBC is in a propaganda war with the CFC and could really use something to offset the impact GSF's "free carriers for everyone who can fly one" message had on morale...

But PL leadership would never let poltical motives get in the way of bringing the complete and unabridged truth to the peoples of New Eden!

The location of manufacturing has more to do with geography than any other feature and also the security and want as well as ability) for the capital out lay.

For example car manufacturers always build close to an ocean (or sea connected to an ocean) for logistics.
Some manufacture is done despite security concerns due to the proximity of resources.

Now some manufacture is done at geographically undesirable locations either due to resources or government interference but what all these have in common is the want and ability to buy/build the manufacturing facilities. That is the underlying fact.

You can have the best geography in the world withe the most secure governments but if no one is willing to front the cash then it will not be done.

Now people in EvE want to spend the isk, so why should those with the cash not be able to gain rewards from their capital expenditures?

Why should people who do not own the facilities they use benefit more than those who do?

In this argument there are zealots on both sides with some wanting the destruction of Hi-sec and others wanting no changes at all.

This is a game of all the players of EvE.

As to the minerals used in Supercap production, where do you think they are mined? How many slots do you think super cap production is using?

As to T2 production, No it should not be just for null sec but the argument could easily be made for its removal from NPC stations as it would justify

Reward=Risk*Capital Expenditure. While still not removing a vital part of Industry from any area.

A CSM is supposed to be addressing concerns. "Everything is fine" is either stupid or useless for a CSM to run on.

Is anyone actually happy with High Sec? I mean, guys who never undock and play EVE Online as SIM Stock Market, sure. But the AFK miners aren't all jazzed up going YES. I am going to SHOOT SOME ROCKS. They just want ISK that they can use to fund whatever it is they are happy with. on their "real" account.

High sec, for the most part, is highly profitable and lowly interesting. A lot of null sec players want to make high sec less profitable, to get more people into null. This is because all their highsec complaints are actually nullsec complaints in disguise.

Some null sec players want to make high sec less interesting because they want more people in null sec and are apparently unaware of the existence of non-EVE activities.

And most of the people defending high sec are defending the guy with 50 alts lasers an iceberg, and ignoring the real issues with high sec (i.e., it's boring).

The purpose of High Sec is to be for
- New Players
- Casual players
- Hardcore players taking half a break but still wanting to play ISK/hour be damned
- Trading hubs.

But high sec is terrible for new players, because the PvE is both boring (scaring away potential new people) and useless as a training tool. It should be a controlledish, safeish environment for cute newbies who are uncomfortable losing ships and don't know any of the major alliances yet to practice PvP, but also one where these same newbies occasionally get killed by a battlecruiser for no reason because come on this is EVE. It shouldn't be a theme park, but it should be a kindergarten.

Example: There's some security mission where I have to break a gate camp. This involves flying to a spot, and pew pewing a few waves of dudes who do jack all damage. What does this accomplish not just for a new player playing the game, but for the game as a whole. It's boring, it gives the new player some ISK, and it teaches him nothing.

What if, instead, you went through the acceleration gate, and were instantly hit by all the mooks at once and one of them tackled you? This better resembles and actual gate camp down by players, and teaches the player "Oh, people can turn my warp off. Better equip some stabilizers, and pay more attention when going through gates". The ISK doesn't have to be increased. The ISK is fine, but the mission is useless busywork when it could be teaching a new player the proper mindset. Missions shouldn't be an ISK faucet. Missions should be PvP training disguised as PvE. (They should also scam you, and rats should be tougher, and etc and etc and etc. Level 1 missions are a new players first impression of Eve, and that chance is blown so spectacularly)

I know James 315 wants to take high level missions out of High Sec. I'd be all for that if there low level missions let you know what you were getting into.



And that's just the thing that ticks me off as a failure of game design. It's not even the issue bittervets are talking about, which is that 50 accounts are AFK mining, and the only thing to do is bump them, which has no real recourse. The entire AFK Miner vs Bumper mechanic is completely absurd. EVE isn't Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Spaceships. It's Star Wars with spreadsheets. All interactions between players that aren't friendly should something that would net you jail time in the real world. Shoot em. Scam em. Boil em in a stew. But chest bumping in an aggressive fashion is ludicrous, and its equally ludicrous that anti-miners don't have a better way of dissuading the multiboxers.

tl;dr: High-Sec needs to be less profitable, but more useful as a training tool and more interesting. Getting people into low/null can be solved by buffing low/null.

Edit: Wow, this forum software rewrote my post :(

Is it true that you invented hi-sec candidates?

a) not even the filthy lazy scum of highsec can bring themselves to utter such blatant lies about highsec being fine as is and not needing an overhaul
b) even if they agree with that sentiment, it's worth noting that filthy mindless bots and AFK players can't vote due to their very nature
c) James 315 is the true highsec candidate. His entire agenda is improving highsec for everyone.

You aren't in the game with other people when you play with the character generator, and I made my statement in the context of playing the game. Nice try, though.

Also, I've seen enough female avatars to figure that there probably would be riots if they nerfed or took away the boob slider.