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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#141 - 2013-03-07 12:00:39 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
^ That's just your opinion

My opinion is that arenas would provide a stepping stone for other forms of PVP.


No thats a fact. We dont have arenas here and as such, EVE has never been sold as yet another small scale MMO. Our PVP is known everywhere for its massive battles.

And no, they will not be a stepping stone to pvp they will kill all pvp outside of them. They will not add more pvpers from the pve population because they will continue to have zero interest. They are the single worst thing you can add to a game like this.
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#142 - 2013-03-07 12:03:39 UTC
I logged in just to write this is a bad idea and devs should never implement this. We already have duelling and the safety button and everything. If you want more go to lowsec with friends if need be. This is so bad.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2013-03-07 12:09:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
baltec1 wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
^ That's just your opinion

My opinion is that arenas would provide a stepping stone for other forms of PVP.


No thats a fact. We dont have arenas here and as such, EVE has never been sold as yet another small scale MMO. Our PVP is known everywhere for its massive battles.

And no, they will not be a stepping stone to pvp they will kill all pvp outside of them. They will not add more pvpers from the pve population because they will continue to have zero interest. They are the single worst thing you can add to a game like this.


No it really is just your opinion... Everything you just said was opinion. EVE is already one huge arena so what's wrong with condensing it a little to give people a taste?

Given the choice would your rather:

A. Have a highsec culture where CEO tell their members to stay docked during war because they lack the knowledge and confidence to fight.

or

B. Have a highsec culture that encourages people to fight each other and glorifies PVP to help people understand that this game is primarily about blowing ships up?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2013-03-07 12:14:23 UTC
Imagine nobody leaving a station anymore spamming the "go to arena" button. I don't want that.

I've read a suggestion to rename the undock button to "go pvp'ing" button. That would be awesome.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#145 - 2013-03-07 12:14:59 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:


B. Have a highsec culture that encourages people to fight each other and glorifies PVP to help people understand that this game is primarily about blowing ships up?


We have this already.

And no its not an opinion. Every single MMO with arenas has next to no pvp outside of them and EVE does get sold on its large battles. Examples can be found in just about every single EVE trailer and just about every single news article.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2013-03-07 12:22:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:


B. Have a highsec culture that encourages people to fight each other and glorifies PVP to help people understand that this game is primarily about blowing ships up?


We have this already.

And no its not an opinion. Every single MMO with arenas has next to no pvp outside of them and EVE does get sold on its large battles. Examples can be found in just about every single EVE trailer and just about every single news article.


No we have option A... Roll

I didn't start playing EVE for the massive fleet fights and after 2 years in the game i think large scale fleet fights are the lease entertaining form of pvp. That's just my opinion of course.

So yeah, again, you're talking opinion and not fact.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#147 - 2013-03-07 12:29:28 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:


No we have option A... Roll

I didn't start playing EVE for the massive fleet fights and after 2 years in the game i think large scale fleet fights are the lease entertaining form of pvp. That's just my opinion of course.

So yeah, again, you're talking opinion and not fact.


So your saying most of the trailers for this game do not show large fights? That most of the media coverage do not concentrate upon these large fights and scams?

You also think that nobody activly promotes pvp like, oh say, RvB which just happens to destroy thousands of ships in a single weekend.

You seem to have no clue about this game or what happens in it.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2013-03-07 12:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
I think you missed when i said "high sec culture"...

And no, all the trailers are not just about big fleet fights but that's not what we are arguing about. We are arguing because you claim that people only come to the game because of the PVP when actually, it's only one of many reasons to play this game.

Where did i say nobody promotes PVP?

You seems to have trouble looking at an argument from both sides so let me ask you a simple question:

Are you against arenas because you are scared that they will be so awesome that everyone will do nothing but 3 v 3 tournaments all day?

if not, what are you afraid of?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#149 - 2013-03-07 12:39:29 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:

Given the choice would your rather:

A. Have a highsec culture where CEO tell their members to stay docked during war because they lack the knowledge and confidence to fight.

or

B. Have a highsec culture that encourages people to fight each other and glorifies PVP to help people understand that this game is primarily about blowing ships up?


Solution A is not really a systemic problem, it's a problem people have with an open and universal game design in a harsh and cruel MMO.

Regarding B: Your obvious solution "arena pvp" would not encourage pvp, only arena pvp. Think about it.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#150 - 2013-03-07 12:41:58 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
I think you missed when i said "high sec culture"...

And no, all the trailers are not just about big fleet fights but that's not what we are arguing about. We are arguing because you claim that people only come to the game because of the PVP when actually, it's only one of many reasons to play this game.

Where did i say nobody promotes PVP?

You seems to have trouble looking at an argument from both sides so let me ask you a simple question:

Are you against arenas because you are scared that they will be so awesome that everyone will do nothing but 3 v 3 tournaments all day?

if not, what are you afraid of?



I am against them because they have killed the pvp ouside of them in every single game that has added them.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-03-07 12:43:39 UTC
Colonel Xaven wrote:

Regarding B: Your obvious solution "arena pvp" would not encourage pvp, only arena pvp. Think about it.


When your parents put stabilizers on your bike when you were a kid, was their intention to help you learn how to ride a bike with stabilizers or did they hope that you would one day take those stabilizers off and ride a bike like a big boy?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#152 - 2013-03-07 12:51:38 UTC
William Walker wrote:
I logged in just to write this is a bad idea and devs should never implement this. We already have duelling and the safety button and everything. If you want more go to lowsec with friends if need be. This is so bad.



I also had to log in to +1 this. My personal opinion is that these will not work as a stepping stone. People will think the arena is the end all/be all of PvP. Why step further when you have your PvP easy, fair (lol), and on demand?

I feel (again my opinion) that the arena PvP will begin to be seen as the 'real' PvP and anyone in low/null are just gankers and cowards. Obviously others already hold that opinion, but I feel like anyone who says that hasn't actually tried living in low/null.

Anywhooo, why do people keep asking CCP to do stuff the players can already do? Oh yeah, you want perfectly even matches kept safe from outside influence because that's 'real' right?
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#153 - 2013-03-07 13:13:01 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Colonel Xaven wrote:

Regarding B: Your obvious solution "arena pvp" would not encourage pvp, only arena pvp. Think about it.


When your parents put stabilizers on your bike when you were a kid, was their intention to help you learn how to ride a bike with stabilizers or did they hope that you would one day take those stabilizers off and ride a bike like a big boy?


Stabilizers on a bike? Dude, we do not talk about the safety trigger on your guns.

If your parents would lock you with another dude in the cellar for a year or so, they might want to help you socializing with people in a controllable environment. It will fail.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2013-03-07 13:22:34 UTC
Well i guess we could all argue about this until we are blue in the face but it will get us no where as i can't change your mide and you can't change mind.

I like the idea of an arena and I'll continue to support the idea for their introduction as long as there are people arguing against them because they fear change or because they had a bad experience in other games.

Nice chatting with you all o/

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#155 - 2013-03-07 13:28:41 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Well i guess we could all argue about this until we are blue in the face but it will get us no where as i can't change your mide and you can't change mind.

I like the idea of an arena and I'll continue to support the idea for their introduction as long as there are people arguing against them because they fear change or because they had a bad experience in other games.

Nice chatting with you all o/


Because us not wanting this game to die is a bad thing.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#156 - 2013-03-07 13:29:34 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Well i guess we could all argue about this until we are blue in the face but it will get us no where as i can't change your mide and you can't change mind.

I like the idea of an arena and I'll continue to support the idea for their introduction as long as there are people arguing against them because they fear change or because they had a bad experience in other games.

Nice chatting with you all o/

so basically you will pop a new thread in every month or so?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2013-03-07 13:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Tub Chil wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Well i guess we could all argue about this until we are blue in the face but it will get us no where as i can't change your mide and you can't change mind.

I like the idea of an arena and I'll continue to support the idea for their introduction as long as there are people arguing against them because they fear change or because they had a bad experience in other games.

Nice chatting with you all o/

so basically you will pop a new thread in every month or so?
Let him.
He suffers enough from his ignorance anyway.
He'll never understand the issue.
Might be dunning-krueger, but whatever.
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#158 - 2013-03-07 13:34:09 UTC
I also don't get the 'fear change' thing. Would people like me have stuck around for 9 years if we did? This game is so different from the first time I logged in it's pretty night and day.

Seen (and enjoyed) plenty of change through these years, change can be good if it's well thought out and in the spirit of the game.

Again, we have all the tools we need to do this as players, just not the motivation it seems What?
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2013-03-07 13:49:10 UTC
lol no you fools, i will not create a tread every few months Smile but i will voice my opinion when the subject gets brought up again... and you know as well as i do that this is not the first thread of it's kind, so it will get brought up again.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2013-03-07 13:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Danks wrote:
I also don't get the 'fear change' thing. Would people like me have stuck around for 9 years if we did? This game is so different from the first time I logged in it's pretty night and day.

Seen (and enjoyed) plenty of change through these years, change can be good if it's well thought out and in the spirit of the game.

Again, we have all the tools we need to do this as players, just not the motivation it seems What?


Just when i thought i was out...

By fear of change, i was talking about the people that say arena gamplay will ruin the PVP we have now or say that it won't work because it didn't work in other games.

There is no evidence to support that this is what would happen in eve. And like you said, how is change bad when done right and in the spirit of the game?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...