Skill Discussions

Free 2 play refers to games which can be played without you having to pay sub-fees. For this, it doesn't matter if someone else paid it. Yes, some dudes might think every minute of their life equals some dollars, and with that view, you are totally right - but here is a hint - some people do enjoy living without worrying about how much dollars they lost by watching a movie at the cinema. I think this is the majority too. ;)

Anyway, this can be an endless discussion. Important is that I can't see a quote from me saying EvE is dying.

You do understand that it's possible to say something in an implicit fashion, right?

Your breathless whining about how something must be done to accommodate new players makes it pretty apparent that you're a garden-variety "eve is dying" troll, regardless of whether or not you actually use the phrase "eve is dying".

Your assertion that something must be done, coupled with your spurious claims that Eve is losing new players, carries an identical implication.

What CCP has acknowledged is that they can't catch them as fast as they would like. This effectively goes without saying, by virtue of the fact that they are a business and invariably want more money.

This is markedly different than your claim that there's just no keeping newbs.

What they have definitely learned is that doing things that fundamentally **** with the game causes them to hemorrhage older players MUCH faster than it causes them to retain new ones, and what's being asked for here are fundamental changes to the core of the game.

I don't see how Eve could be considered 'Free to Play'.

If you mining, or building, or ransoming n00bs to raise ISK to buy PLEX then you are "working".

How is whoring for isk in exchange for a 15 dollar subscription fee any different than being a Chinese Gold Farmer for WoW? Those guys get paid for their work. You get paid for your work in PLEX. I don't care how you value your time - if you exchanged it for money that counts as work not play.

No, Eve is not 'Free to Play'



Now stop complaining about skill points and get out there and have fun in whatever you can fly today.

While you consider playing to pay PLEX work, some people don't. Since I know more than one such, this is an undisputable FACT.

At the same time there are people whose RL income does NOT scale linearly with time invested but plateaus somewhere. Once you reach that plateau - and have enough spare time left - even IF you accept the fact that you can call the time spent playing to earn PLEX work, it is still the only way they can play without sacrificing something else they can (or have to) buy for their RL money.

There is effectively no difference between an actual F2P game and the F2P equivalent EVE offers via PLEX for those people.



Why is the existing ALT quota relevant?

It's glaringly obvious that CCP is incentivizing people to create alts. How do you suppose the amount of new alts created scales with the existing alt quota? I would say we can safely assume that a pool of 20 accounts in the hands of 20 players is MORE likely to generate NEW alt accounts than the same 20 accounts held by only 5 people.

You're not getting it, are you? If the currency is worthless (for anything else) there is no difference between free and being paid with a worthless currency.

Also i'm not sure if i should laugh or get angry about the continued personla attacks based on zero knowledge and obvious lack of even understanding the most basic things i wrote. Almost stooped down to your level but luckily there's the edit option.

Looks like my edit was too late. Maybe reading it will still make you understand.



I'll try to make it as simple for you as possible.

Someone gives you a cookie. He requires as payment for the cookie, that you EAT it.
You like eating cookies, so the restriction doesn't actually restrict you and you're not too full to eat it.

Would you SERIOUSLY claim that cookie is not free because there is a restriction attached to it?




That's actually not a bad observation, you just didn't understand it deeply enough.

You failure lies in the assumption that you're dealing with a fixed exchange rate.

Oh, and then, to put your whinging in context:

Eve learns that Alice can get one of The Baker's cookies for "free", via Bob, by cleaning Bob's house.

Eve isn't very good at cleaning houses, though, and when she can't get Bob's house clean, he won't give her a cookie.

Eve doesn't like this, and logs onto the Baker's forum to loudly complain that she heard this bakery had a Free2Eat mode, and she can't participate in it because she's only just learning how to clean houses, and that's NOT FAIR! She deserves a cookie!

"The minerals I mine are free because I like mining, so it isn't *really* work," said the economic incompetent.

Bad comparison stays bad comparison. Let's see if you can find your mistake.


What would be required to make your miner comparison WORK for the example of 'player considers EVE a F2P equivalent because he enjoys generating plex'?