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The Jita Bank | The 1# Virtual Bank Of New Eden
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Prencleeve Grothsmore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-10-14 16:27:54 UTC
Luxi Daphiti wrote:
Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
So please, if you have any other accusations to make, back it up with evidence not theory.

I think the evidence is clear to all. You have a history of scamming and have no evidence to prove you posses the funds that you claim to. Nor do you even have a plan on how you are going to make the money to pay this interest? Yes you have the funds there, but I can't imagine you're going to be so generous as to essentially give away 4.5 trillion. I imagine that is more of a buffer in case anything goes wrong.

However, we could correct this simply and throw all of our objections out of the window. EVE mail me your API key and i'll do the check myself - if everything checks out you'll have a huge boost in credibility. And, if this is a legitimate offering, you have nothing to loose by doing so.

Problem is, right now there is nothing to back up anything you've said. And yes, I could invest however many billions into your bank, but as you have no evidence to prove that you're nothing more then a scam why would I?


Security is our number one priority. Investing billions into a newly founded bank would be a foolish thing to do, and if I were in your position I would believe this is a ponzi bank. This is why I suggest you either:

A) Invest a smaller amount
B) Wait until the client base is big enough to openly vouch for the legitimacy of the service

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2011-10-14 16:31:54 UTC
the "pay tiny amounts according to the offer, pocket the large amounts people invest after their small amounts pay off" is how those "I wiill double the money you send me" bot scams work

come now

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2011-10-14 16:32:38 UTC
also lawling at "wait to invest in my ponzi scheme until early investors start to get paid off, that will demonstrate it's not a ponzi scheme"

20% alone proves it's one, soz

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Prencleeve Grothsmore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-10-14 16:36:47 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
also lawling at "wait to invest in my ponzi scheme until early investors start to get paid off, that will demonstrate it's not a ponzi scheme"

20% alone proves it's one, soz


We'll be operating and handing out funds in 2014.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2011-10-14 16:37:23 UTC
i don't think you get that you can't rebut "this is a scam, here is why" with "no, this isn't a scam, take my word for it"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2011-10-14 16:38:48 UTC
i mean this is more blatant than the usual goon scams but we are intelligent enough to not do them on forums where people who aren't functionally ******** will chime in and explain why our nice offer to move all of your stuff for free probably isn't a good offer to take

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Prencleeve Grothsmore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-10-14 16:40:11 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
i don't think you get that you can't rebut "this is a scam, here is why" with "no, this isn't a scam, take my word for it"


I admit, inevitably I cannot 100% prove that this is not a ponzi scheme, nobody could. There is no reward without risk.

http://adf.ly/3RiOg The Warp Bubble Blog I do things differently.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2011-10-14 16:43:13 UTC
Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i don't think you get that you can't rebut "this is a scam, here is why" with "no, this isn't a scam, take my word for it"


I admit, inevitably I cannot 100% prove that this is not a ponzi scheme, nobody could. There is no reward without risk.


i can't prove it's a ponzi scheme but that's only because your plan could just be take the initial money and run

the numbers you've cited are so impossible you've proven 100% its a scam

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#49 - 2011-10-14 16:44:28 UTC
Souris Blanche wrote:
Last month you bought a frieghter character for 1.5bil ISK, then on the 2nd of this month you asked for a 50 mil ISK loan to buy a hulk so you can mine in hisec, and on the 3rd of this month you asked for a 380 mil ISK loan to purchase a freighter to help you transport approximately 70 billion ISK worth of Oxygen Isotopes and resell them for a profit... and now, on the 13th of the month, you are asking people to invest money with your "bank".

According to forum threads, no one loaned you the 50mil, nor the 380 mil, and I highly suggest no one invest any money in your "bank".

Information pulled from the following forum threads
Frieghter Character Purchase: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103083#post103083

50 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128201#post128201

380 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=133584#post133584

Prior to these threads your past posts, only going back to 07.31.2011 (which is a very short history of posting), consist of posts of either no useful content, or posts about you offering KB Hosting/TS Server/Website Hosting services that were scams (http://eve-search.com/thread/1562451-0/page/1#1)


Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
a bank offering absurd interest rates that could not possibly be met except via a ponzi scheme?

sounds good to me, invested the entire goonwaffe wallet in this


Absurd? My market team has made sure that these numbers are sustainable.
Note: Please don't question the credibility of this Bank without proof.



Please tell me you're trollin' OP, this is in no way believable. You've been called out.

Damn nature, you scary!
Prencleeve Grothsmore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-10-14 16:44:42 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
i don't think you get that you can't rebut "this is a scam, here is why" with "no, this isn't a scam, take my word for it"


I admit, inevitably I cannot 100% prove that this is not a ponzi scheme, nobody could. There is no reward without risk.


i can't prove it's a ponzi scheme but that's only because your plan could just be take the initial money and run

the numbers you've cited are so impossible you've proven 100% its a scam


I wouldn't bother running off with 10 or so million ISK. I could of made more money station trading in the time it took to me to set up the bank and all of the web elements.

http://adf.ly/3RiOg The Warp Bubble Blog I do things differently.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2011-10-14 16:46:13 UTC
also you're claiming the ability to generate 4.5t isk in 5 months, then 9t isk in another 5 months, you see where I'm going with this

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Luxi Daphiti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2011-10-14 16:47:39 UTC
Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:


We'll be operating and handing out funds in 2014.


Does that mean that you're going to run off with the money after 2014? Blink
Prencleeve Grothsmore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2011-10-14 16:47:51 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
also you're claiming the ability to generate 4.5t isk in 5 months, then 9t isk in another 5 months, you see where I'm going with this


I'm not claiming the ability to generate anything. We have a start-up fund, this will cover the costs whilst we build up a client base. Then we set up our loan service which will continue to fund the operation there off, how much ISK we have to generate purely depends on the amount invested by our client base.

http://adf.ly/3RiOg The Warp Bubble Blog I do things differently.
Prencleeve Grothsmore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-10-14 16:48:21 UTC
Luxi Daphiti wrote:
Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:


We'll be operating and handing out funds in 2014.


Does that mean that you're going to run off with the money after 2014? Blink


No it doesn't.

http://adf.ly/3RiOg The Warp Bubble Blog I do things differently.
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#55 - 2011-10-14 16:54:29 UTC  |  Edited by: DelBoy Trades
Quote:
I'm not claiming the ability to generate anything. We have a start-up fund, this will cover the costs whilst we build up a client base. Then we set up our loan service which will continue to fund the operation there off, how much ISK we have to generate purely depends on the amount invested by our client base.


So you're handing out interest from a finite, non-expandory (apart from client deposits) funds...I think there's a name for those schemes? No one will fall for EVE-Madoffary (again)

Damn nature, you scary!
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2011-10-14 17:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Really this is painful. I can't believe MD has dropped quite this low.


Look mate - you are trying to scam. I can understand that. Some people are lured by lots of free ISK, some are even lured by the idea of stealing the ISK of others. This is a game, and trying to pull these things off is part of the game.

We've had some really good scammers come round here in the past. Some of them even have turned out to give you advice here - if you are serious about scamming, at least listen to them.

Sell off that Prencleeve character of yours and start over. Make more of an effort so that at least then it will be interesting to call you out. This is just... a waste of everyone's time.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#57 - 2011-10-14 17:20:39 UTC
Souris Blanche wrote:
Last month you bought a frieghter character for 1.5bil ISK, then on the 2nd of this month you asked for a 50 mil ISK loan to buy a hulk so you can mine in hisec, and on the 3rd of this month you asked for a 380 mil ISK loan to purchase a freighter to help you transport approximately 70 billion ISK worth of Oxygen Isotopes and resell them for a profit... and now, on the 13th of the month, you are asking people to invest money with your "bank".

According to forum threads, no one loaned you the 50mil, nor the 380 mil, and I highly suggest no one invest any money in your "bank".

Information pulled from the following forum threads
Frieghter Character Purchase: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103083#post103083

50 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128201#post128201

380 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=133584#post133584

Prior to these threads your past posts, only going back to 07.31.2011 (which is a very short history of posting), consist of posts of either no useful content, or posts about you offering KB Hosting/TS Server/Website Hosting services that were scams (http://eve-search.com/thread/1562451-0/page/1#1)


Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
a bank offering absurd interest rates that could not possibly be met except via a ponzi scheme?

sounds good to me, invested the entire goonwaffe wallet in this


Absurd? My market team has made sure that these numbers are sustainable.
Note: Please don't question the credibility of this Bank without proof.


... And, then you have the gall to say we should not question the credibility of this bank without proof? We have the proof that you have a history of scamming, so go ahead and try to give us (on MD) some proof that this isn't a scam. Actually, you have a history of TRYING to scam, and failing miserably... but you keep coming up with new ideas for scams. However, people don't seem to be falling for them.



not empty quoting. A reponse to the above would be good.

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Prencleeve Grothsmore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2011-10-14 17:26:07 UTC
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
Souris Blanche wrote:
Last month you bought a frieghter character for 1.5bil ISK, then on the 2nd of this month you asked for a 50 mil ISK loan to buy a hulk so you can mine in hisec, and on the 3rd of this month you asked for a 380 mil ISK loan to purchase a freighter to help you transport approximately 70 billion ISK worth of Oxygen Isotopes and resell them for a profit... and now, on the 13th of the month, you are asking people to invest money with your "bank".

According to forum threads, no one loaned you the 50mil, nor the 380 mil, and I highly suggest no one invest any money in your "bank".

Information pulled from the following forum threads
Frieghter Character Purchase: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103083#post103083

50 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128201#post128201

380 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=133584#post133584

Prior to these threads your past posts, only going back to 07.31.2011 (which is a very short history of posting), consist of posts of either no useful content, or posts about you offering KB Hosting/TS Server/Website Hosting services that were scams (http://eve-search.com/thread/1562451-0/page/1#1)


Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
a bank offering absurd interest rates that could not possibly be met except via a ponzi scheme?

sounds good to me, invested the entire goonwaffe wallet in this


Absurd? My market team has made sure that these numbers are sustainable.
Note: Please don't question the credibility of this Bank without proof.


... And, then you have the gall to say we should not question the credibility of this bank without proof? We have the proof that you have a history of scamming, so go ahead and try to give us (on MD) some proof that this isn't a scam. Actually, you have a history of TRYING to scam, and failing miserably... but you keep coming up with new ideas for scams. However, people don't seem to be falling for them.



not empty quoting. A reponse to the above would be good.


None of my previous threads have been scams. Nobody has any proof with suggests otherwise.

http://adf.ly/3RiOg The Warp Bubble Blog I do things differently.
Luxi Daphiti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2011-10-14 17:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Luxi Daphiti
Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
Souris Blanche wrote:
Last month you bought a frieghter character for 1.5bil ISK, then on the 2nd of this month you asked for a 50 mil ISK loan to buy a hulk so you can mine in hisec, and on the 3rd of this month you asked for a 380 mil ISK loan to purchase a freighter to help you transport approximately 70 billion ISK worth of Oxygen Isotopes and resell them for a profit... and now, on the 13th of the month, you are asking people to invest money with your "bank".

According to forum threads, no one loaned you the 50mil, nor the 380 mil, and I highly suggest no one invest any money in your "bank".

Information pulled from the following forum threads
Frieghter Character Purchase: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=103083#post103083

50 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128201#post128201

380 Mil ISK Loan Thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=133584#post133584

Prior to these threads your past posts, only going back to 07.31.2011 (which is a very short history of posting), consist of posts of either no useful content, or posts about you offering KB Hosting/TS Server/Website Hosting services that were scams (http://eve-search.com/thread/1562451-0/page/1#1)


Prencleeve Grothsmore wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
a bank offering absurd interest rates that could not possibly be met except via a ponzi scheme?

sounds good to me, invested the entire goonwaffe wallet in this


Absurd? My market team has made sure that these numbers are sustainable.
Note: Please don't question the credibility of this Bank without proof.


... And, then you have the gall to say we should not question the credibility of this bank without proof? We have the proof that you have a history of scamming, so go ahead and try to give us (on MD) some proof that this isn't a scam. Actually, you have a history of TRYING to scam, and failing miserably... but you keep coming up with new ideas for scams. However, people don't seem to be falling for them.



not empty quoting. A reponse to the above would be good.


None of my previous threads have been scams. Nobody has any proof with suggests otherwise.

And you have no evidence to suggest that they, or this, aren't scams.
Chevalleis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-10-14 17:49:52 UTC
Still waiting for my mail.