EVE General Discussion

oh indeed, i did misunderstand.
that's actually quite amusing. bravo.

well that's hardly surprising given how easy it was to blow up retrievers before.

Losses are part of the game, HTFU. I do agree that the risk/reward ratio is broken for low sec and needs to be fixed though. They moved high ends out of low and ore values are all screwy now. It's really not hard to find a chain of dead end systems and camp the only entrance gate.


It was in the beginning of Eve. Industrial corps are gone or almost gone. The population in general is much higher. Personally, I think we need some null systems converted to low. Might help drive conflict in null and it would make it easier to hide in low. Either that or just add more systems to low.


While I do enjoy culling the occasional stupid/lazy miner from the herd, my complaint was primarily based on wanting to be able to find things on the market in my region and not have to go 5000 jumps for one lousy MWD. I'm not even deep in low and in my region there's a 70% chance of something not being on the market and a 100% chance of it being overpriced if it's there. It's based secondarily on certain play-styles being unavailable to people in the majority of space. The 'not being able to kill carebears' part is a tertiary issue at most. Just some of the many ways that Trammel ruins the rest of the game.


We didn't make it unenjoyable. The single player crowd gradually creating Trammel drew in the lazy and stupid, which made things impractical for those who were left. A few trammies cry for more safety. Their friends go with them because they don't want to be away from their friends. The rest of the corp realizes the other half is gone and leaves too. New players coming into the game are taught the ways of the trammie and don't know any better. It's a chain reaction. Any activity needs a certain critical mass of players involved to remain viable in a given area. The less of a kind of players there are, the less there will be. In my day the miners would have joined me in telling the trammies to HTFU.

yea. let's look at difference between mining in high-sec and mining in low-sec.
rats? aren't different
pirates? yes. THERE IS THE DIFFERENCE.

So i'm right: PvPers made everybody left these places.

The same is with missions. Some time ago i've tried to run few missions in low-sec. Was hunted and scanned from start and needed to exit mission. And after that i don't accept missions in low-sec. Lazy bear you say? Yes.
However i've asked forums what could i do. And except "antiscan tengu is universal answer" i got nothing. Carebear has nothing to defend from PvPers when he runs mission.

So yes, missions in low-sec aren't used because of PVPers.


why do you use limit "system" and not "server"? Or "station"? Or "universe"? Or "corporation"?

Let me guess: whatever helps you to argue

Fail is obvious here. Time to stop arguing.

selective quoting is quicker than typing it out myself.

your last post is full of whine....


oops. sorry. this is complaints! Only bears whine.

However nothing new was told. The only difference between safe haven (high-sec) and low-sec is: CONCORD protection. Protection of one player from another. So all the reasons why bears left low-sec is other players. Who are these players? PvPers.

One thing i can agree with you in: maybe increasing amount of low-sec systems will help a little. Maybe.

Not really, missions don't get used in lowsec because people run them with the same mentality as highsec missions - that they aim to be left alone, and not interact with other players while piling up ISK. Personally, I think this is a result of highsec's design: there is no need for people to band together, so people don't, and are confused when they face a situation where they do need to use their social skills.

It doesn't take much effort to make friends with the locals if you're a nice person, and once you've done that you can run lowsec missions to your hearts content in your finest faction battleship.

i agree, but they could just change the low sec mission content to be more fw-like. escort scenarios etc. and making the different levels same class engagements and lower only like fw i think would be great for PvP.

Sure, that could work. I just think back to the types of high risk pve I have engaged in.
Escalations from highsec plexes-Short duration, can be done in a T1 cruiser, high chance of a big payout, no penalty if I have to abandon them.
C1/2 Wormhole anoms-shortish duration, not much loot to carry, nice payout, unique NPC combat I can't get in highsec, no penalty for abandoning, no local. The latter kinda works to my advantage since I'd prefer not to broadcast my presence automatically like I do in lowsec.

Basically if you could do lowsec level 4s in a BC or level 3s in a cruiser as you'd do them in a BS or a BC respectively in highsec, it'd be somewhat tempting to put up with the Dscan hassle. Even better if you could do them pvp fit.

baltec1,

Firstly, you are no stranger around here. Just as I am known to be pro-carebear, you run on the opposite side of the line. Don't insult yourself by claiming anything else. Your 'selfless acts' of providing miners with fits ran along the lines of fit tank and HTFU. Stop pretending to be the gift to carebears. You're not. Ever since I can remember you've had nothing but disdain and contempt for carebears.

Second, what do you expect people to think of an alliance that, up until the time that one of your own died on a terrorist attack, made it a point to run campaigns based on real-life terrorist attack themes, even though repeatedly you were told that it was in poor taste? You associate with a group of players that have gone out of their way to grief play and come in here pretending like it's undeserved? You poor thing.