Intergalactic Summit

Darius, I'd strongly advise you not to pay all that much attention to Louvaki. His opinions tend to be of very little merit, he's an unashamed Empire apologist and his only accomplishment of note thus far was assisting in the murder of Kaalakiota civilians.

Then why did you sic your drones on one of the freighters?

I think I'll just use a quote from Starfire:

We're all Minmatar, like it or not. That's all the relationship that the Republic needs. You and I are still Minmatar, regardless of what culture we were born in, raised with, and support. Something you seemed to recognize when you decided to side with the Nefantar in the Republic several weeks ago. Awfully hypocritical, miss Luftshreck.



You don't make any case for yourself, for the Mandate, or for the Empire, miss Luftshreck. What are you trying to say here? Do you not recognize that your statements here must also, by nature, refer to the Empire as well, and that you likewise consider the Empire evil? You can't simply reverse situations, miss Luftshreck, without acknowledging that you are speaking of the Empire as well.

This is the problem with those born in freedom in the Mandate. You all take your culture, your faith, all these things you have for granted. You never had to toil as those of us in the Empire proper did. If you did, perhaps you would understand that freedom is something that must be earned. Perhaps you were kidnapped by the Republic, but I highly doubt you endured anywhere near what those of us who actually wore Glaive-collars did. Ever been injected with the Glaive's sixth toxin, miss Luftshreck, and then struck by a shockwhip while your nerves are hypersensitive? Ever been thrown in a Penitent's Box, left alone for days to think about what you've done, while still bleeding and in agony? Whatever you experienced in the Republic pales to what those of us who actually endured slavery went through. Instead of, excuse me, whining endlessly about your kidnapping, you should see it as a test of your faith. Because that is what captivity and servitude is, truly--a test of faith. Pain purifies the soul.



You have a rather simplistic view of the Republic, miss Luftshreck. Are they a rather violent culture that often prove themselves through conflict? A culture that prides itself in challenging authority? Yes. But their goals, however misguided they may be, are understandable. It is very difficult for those outside the faith to see the Reclaiming, and therefore the Empire, as anything but evil.

You need to look in a mirror, as miss Starfire said. Because you are acting exactly like them--just in reverse. If anything, you are even worse, because at least most in the Republic are hostile against the Empire out of concern with the well-being of those who have no relation to their own lives, while you follow a path of vengeance for no reason other than what happened to you and you alone.

Mister Ixiris, mister Louvaki, don't you two have another thread to discuss Caldari-Gallente issues?

Inactive and despite us being 112 kills apart, in ISK damage we are only 20million apart.

Not sure an apology is needed when opinions are voiced, but, fair enough. Yes it is a touchy subject. One that I have spent 10 years in space learning the hard way.

I once felt other and more moderate means would work, as well. The fact of the matter is they never did. So I changed up my ideas and, back in early YC 106, split the hull of an Amarrian ship to free those within. Eighteen slaves died, out of around four hundred. Not something I forget easy, even now. But something I have learned to make peace with.

Well... Thank you.

A most disturbing find Mr. Ogunkoya. Especially so in regards to the possibility of legal State forces being involved in such raids. Consider me mistook until proof surfaces to the contrary.

I wish you luck in stopping further raids.

Hm, no, you should check your political science lessons, as you're mixing two different things here, which lead you to wrong conclusions.

A State is a political entity: has institutions, government, laws, etc. I could go into a longer definition, but I don't think it's necessary. They are the ones that are sovereign. And the Minmatarr State ceased to exist the moment we conquered it and it's institutions were abolished. Thus, your citizens became our citizens, as citizens is a title that is granted by the State, it's a political/institutional element which depends on the laws of that State. Well, actually, your citizens became our slaves.

A Nation is a collection of feelings, identity, traditions and elements usually bound to a specific place, which a community of persons share. Once again, definition could be longer and more precise, but I don't think it's necessary. The Minmatarr Nation existed before the amarrians came, and existed during slavery and existed after your independence. But Nations have no institutions, and are not sovereign, thus hold no citizens, they have Nation members: people who identify with that Nation.

Thus, while your Nation was perpetuated in time, your State dissapeared during centuries. I hope that clears up your mistakes a bit.