Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The other battlecruisers don't need 3rd bonuses.

Your argument boils down to "All of the descriptions should look the same regardless of the helpfulness of the bonus"

having only two bonuses is an arbitrary rule. The harbingers bonus is barely a bonus. Your argument is pointless.

Tell me what reason any of the other battlecruisers need a 3rd bonus?

I have listed tons of reasons why the harbinger NEEDS a 3rd bonus just to be on equal footing with the other ships.

So if it's barely a bonus, the bonus should be change but you say that the cap bonus is needed which contradicts your argument

If it's bonuses are working that means it doesn't need a new one

Well **** you too, that just shows that the bonus is lower than where it should be since you just stated it's too small tp make a difference.

Scorch suck? Why don't you crosstrain to hybrids?

Then fit cap mods, ask for the bonus to get changed and stop complaining

The Harbie has issues itself, it's a mediocre ship and didn't get enough change to give it a role anywhere.

But that doesn't affect the laser issue in general, which is really the crux of the thread, people are getting tied down on this 'Third bonus for harbies' thing and not looking at fixing the real problem.

If you fold the 50% ship bonus into Lasers themselves, LASERS STILL USE THE MOST CAP OF ANY WEAPONS.
Bolded to make the point. They still use significantly more cap than the equivilent Hybrids while at -50% cap use.

So the 'bonus' should be folded into the weapon. Maybe at only 40% to reflect the fact a lot of people only train ships to lvl 4, while 5 is 'specialisation'. That then frees up a 'bonus' (Which isn't a bonus since it is required to use lasers on any ship which isn't pirate, you can 'just' use lasers on the pirate ships, but since they have half the guns for the same DPS, they have a 50% cap reduction bonus already in that) that can actually be something interesting.
As well as allowing ships like the Maller & Abbadon to be viable as laser ships without capping out or requiring twin cap boosters just to shoot guns.

Well on some ships the heavy cap use works, like on fast kiting ships like omens and slicers.

Why not just give all laser brawlers 3 bonuses with 1 being the cap use bonus. The cap use bonus should be fixed at 50% and not be per level.

lolwut

how about I just fly an omen.

The harbinger is to slow to truly kite and to weak to brawl.

Interesting that you never see fleet compositions built around harbingers.

For prospective, here some different stats of basic weapons.

Dual Afocal Pulse Maser I

Optimal Range: 4.73km
activation cost: 2.5 (1.125 activation cost with standard ammo)
Ammo limited: T1 considered unlimited ammo, it been said that your cap is your ammo. T2 degrades very slowly
powergrid: 6
cpu: 7
Rate of fire: 3 s
damage for standard ammo as follows:
5 EM 3 thermal 7.4 shield 3.9 armor damage (using this ammo will give you a 45% reduction to cap us for this ammo.)

Light Electron Blaster I
Optimal range: 1km
activation cost: .9 (.45 activation cost with lead ammo)
ammo limit: true
Powergrid: 4
CPU: 9
rate of fire: 2 s
damage for lead ammo is as follows:
5 Kinetic 3 Thermal 5.4 shield 5.7 armor (Using this ammo will give a 50% reduction to cap bonus.)

125mm Gatling AutoCannon I

optimal range: .8 km
Activation cost: none
ammo limit: True
powergrid: 1
cpu: 3
rate of fire: 3 s
damage for Depleted Uranium is as follows:
3 explosive 2 kinetic 3 thermal 4.8 shield 6.1 armor (1.2 bonus to tracking speed)

So lets see what we come up with, okay

Lasers don't require ammo, and even their shortest range weapon as fing super range, and their ammo is as follows, more damage, takes up more cap, less damage, takes up less cap so you can choose to be an alpha burster, or a sustain firer
They are best for killing shield tanks

hybrids have average range, take up cap to use, have ammo that reduces cap drain like lasers, and their damage is about middle ground on shields and armor
they are for okay at killing both armor and shield tanks

projectiles: Have ammo, no cap charge, so their ammo choices can be to better range, less tracking or better tracking and less range and better tracking. so one can specialize their role further. Oh lets not forget that many of their ammo types can do three different types of damage.
best for killing armor tanks