Market Discussions

Hi there.


Without getting into details yet, i am in knowledge of two T2 BPO's that might end up on aucton, but if they have no value hardly, they might as well end up as a seel on contract. What would T2 BPO's in general (Missile) e on pricing, any suggestions please?

Thx for taking the time to help us out here.

Regards, the lesser twin.

Wouldn't happen to be Light EM missiles? =P

The minimum price you should ask for a T2 missile BPO currently is 8-10b i.e. this is for a light missile. People may try and get you to ask for something less - quoting 5 year profits etc. but that is just crap.

In case you want to sell for less, please contact me.

To note: 1. this is my personal opinion - and opinions vary. 2. there is a specific forum for this, as pointed above.

You may also try and auction it via the forums- which may be worth it for the laughs, as for the first week (of a 2 week auction) they'll try and degrade the BPO.

Selling it via contracts is a good option. Make sure you do not underestimate the price though.

As a general rule of thumb;

Anyone who is offering to appraise your T2 bpo's, but only in private, is trying to low ball you and buy your bpos cheap. Your best bet is to do some research on your own, by comparing recent sales of the exact bpo or similar bpos.

I used to run a T2 bpo appraisal service years ago, and I used to be very big into T2 since it was introduced. There is NO single formula to calculate a bpo's value. There are just too many factors that come into play. I did all my appraisals were done by experience and research.

So take your time, don't rush. Only sell your bpo in private if you consider yourself a guru in T2 bpos. Otherwise go public auctions.

Just my 2 trit...

Easy way to calculate it is with either the 3-6-9-12 month profit rule.

How much ISK can that BPO make you in that time frame? E.g. 100mill every month (300, 600, 900, 1.2bill)
Now, how much are you going to sell it for? Let's say.. 11 Billion - because let's face it, I think you're that guy.
Do you think someone wait wait the 9.3 years to turn a profit?

This is just an example.. the BPO product might be worth more than 100mill a week but either way, adjust as you see and figure out if it's reasonable. Going back 4 years, the general rule of thumb was 3 months profit.

The above post has little significance on T2 BPO prices currently.

I recently sold a T2 BPO that would have returned a significant loss on production, for a very healthy price, nearly twice of what I had paid it for. This has restored my faith in the T2 BPO market. The only potential issue is CCP nerfing T2 BPOs, but I think it is extremely unlikely that CCP will touch these items. More chances of invention being buffed- even though things may be reasonably balanced atm.

Think there are more than 5000 T2 BPOs in the game, and I am quite sure that the majority are collector/trade items, and only rarely used for production.

Please for the love of god buy a monocle.

The whole point of having T2 BPO's is when you simply want to increase your ISK per hour.

Picture running 30 manufacture slots 100% of the time, compared T1 BPO profits to T2 BPO profits.

at a certain point in the game you accumulate enough ISK that you dont know what to do with it, thats when you make a T2 investment and cut the least profitable T1 line.

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EDIT part

I also want you to take a very important note when it comes to investing in T2 BPO's

Head this advice, as this is as close as you will come to understanding the T2 market without actually being a noticeable part of it.

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Sometimes the T2 BPO is over priced, the only way to tell the value of a product is to understand exactly how the entire T2 marketplace works, from Moon politics, to Alchamy being added and when it was added downright to what it takes and how lvl0 moon mats become final moon mat products and at what exact cost.

There is also a VERY big aspect of knowing how many other BPO's of the exact same type are currently floating about and who owns them, because to make ISK you need to Manipulate the said T2 BPO item, knowing exactly who owns the other prints is absolutly crucial!, the bigger they are the less the BPO is worth, since they just dont care about selling the product any more, they care to sell the moon goo

Last but not least, looking at current to last 3 month price trends are worthless in establishing the value of the BPO, since people tend to sell their T2 BPO's when they know change is coming that stands a very good chance of nerfing the volumes and profits of the item, so they will Knock up the price via manipulation and then try to sell their blueprint for double actual value, then dump their stocks and cancel the false buy orders, leaving the first time owner a victim.

sounds like a myth created by T2-BPO conspiracy theorists...

There is simply no way to know how many other BPO´s are floating around or who owns them and you certainly dont need to know that information, to make profit. really... making profit of T2 BPO`s isnt too hard. I dont know what you think you could gain from knowing your competitors other than build up a cartel. sure, 25 years ago when BPO`s were the only source for T2 goods, I´d totally agree with u here, but now we have a thing called invenetion that is totally gona cross this plan, im affraid. making money with manipulation is a different story anyway and has nothing to do with manufaction.