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Ship for Null Exploration? (mag/radar)

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NoName Doe
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-02 20:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: NoName Doe
I have read quit a few threads on the topic but want a bit more clear information or opinions on the issue. I am currently using a vexor "all in one" for low sec radar and mag sites. It does well but can only really run 0.4 sites My end goal is to have something that can fly the same two types of sites in 0.3 or lower or null sec. I will be flying Solo with one account.

So far it seems that folks are suggesting Ishtar, Tengu and Pilgrim the most. im really trying to get at which one of these i should start training for.

even if all of these ships work for what i am trying to do what are some of the pros and cons for each.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
Radhe Amatin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-03-03 06:18:36 UTC
NoName Doe wrote:
I have read quit a few threads on the topic but want a bit more clear information or opinions on the issue. I am currently using a vexor "all in one" for low sec radar and mag sites. It does well but can only really run 0.4 sites My end goal is to have something that can fly the same two types of sites in 0.3 or lower or null sec. I will be flying Solo with one account.

So far it seems that folks are suggesting Ishtar, Tengu and Pilgrim the most. im really trying to get at which one of these i should start training for.

even if all of these ships work for what i am trying to do what are some of the pros and cons for each.

Thanks in advance for any advice.


Hey there, i use a vexor for all-in-one exploration for low sec as well...and i can tell u for sure that u can go do low sec mag/radar site in any low sec not just only 0.4.
I usually do my exploration in blood raider space.... and i have no problem running mag/radar sites.

But if u are not sure about the vexor i suggest a myrmidon or prophecy. They both work great for low sec, u can do combat sites with them no problem and they will work for null sec mag/radar site as well.

Imustbecomfused
Illicit Expo
#3 - 2013-03-03 19:32:29 UTC
Ive done a bit of this and that with exploration... and I prefer (when I used to solo) to use armor tanking battle cruisers for low and null sec sites. This changed to using battleships as soon as I had Minmatar BS skill at lv 4... cause of the range of the auto cannons, the dps of them too, and cause of the huge tank BS have to offer.

If you are looking to stick around in medium hull sized ships, I recommend any of the battle cruiser hulls that Armor tank freeing up your mid slots for code breaker/analyzer, a utility slot or two, for salvagers, plenty of cap for a mwd to get you around the sites, and good enough dps to chew threw the targets rather quickly... a legion or Loki or even Proteus may be of a consideration for specialization in the medium hull size tanks, guns, ship skills etc... maybe a lil pricey though for some. But I tend to look at the max that a character or role he or she can fulfill.

For cruisers, Ive struggled in cause I never had maxed the skills for them, till I got a t3... which isnt logically intelligent to fly around billion isk ships when you have half the support skills for it, or its t1 hull counterpart... but, thats how I learn.. I dont want to wait really and have learned some interesting things that could have saved me a lot of time from the beginning of training.

If I were to do it all again, I would go straight for a loki, or legion, and train the support skills to fly it t2 fully. Reason is, its versatility. You can fit a cov ops and get you into null sec, with a cargo expander fit, for moving a lot of stuff, like other subsystems, and then you can change out your subs for a pve fit... at a nearby base or station, relation to where you are scouting.

I used the cane a lot, dual armor rep fit, with a typical 500 dps fit... mwd fit, light and fast. good tracking for the web and scram frigs.

Where I go exploring (npc damage types) dictated what ships I flew, or the other way around, due to the fact that this is a restart character, and I had some experience with a new main character, so I flew around under skilled, trying to make isk for self sufficiency. This resulted in loosing a few expensive ships, and some moments where I wanted to jsut kick myself in the butt, however, I do not regret it, as Ive learned many things.

Pick a nice t3 and shoot for it, and stick with it, if you cloak it, and nullify it, and know how to push your way past gate camps, theres no limit to where you can take them... They can go to wh space, in c5 and c6 with cap support, can solo c3's and low secs, easy... and you can change configuration of the fit layout, for special roles or purposes...

example,

deep space loki
2 warp core stabs, 4 cargo exp,

mwd, ab, 2lse

4 guns, cov ops cloak, probe launcher

this I use just to get ONE ship, into a npc station, where I can change into whatever fit, after I scout the system and get my bearings... works great@ :) gl
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#4 - 2013-03-03 23:19:57 UTC
T3's are nice but generally not needed for LS sites. Pilgrim is a great little ship for this. Tank it for the rats you shooting and you can get in some DDA's. I used to use a Gila in my early days, it nice as it can field 5 sentry drones.
Imustbecomfused
Illicit Expo
#5 - 2013-03-04 00:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Imustbecomfused
Cage Man wrote:
T3's are nice but generally not needed for LS sites. Pilgrim is a great little ship for this. Tank it for the rats you shooting and you can get in some DDA's. I used to use a Gila in my early days, it nice as it can field 5 sentry drones.



I can agree. They are a bit expensive, skill intensive to some degree, and maybe even overkill, depending on what sec space you are in, if its player owned null sec or low sec...

But I recommended the t3 cause you can do many things with it, and swap the fit arrangement for different purposes, without needing to train for other ships.

An because it may be a bit over powered? for low sec sites, its better to have a lil more than a lil less tank, or gank, or availability for individualization per need. I tend to look at the t3's like a swiss army knife compared to a generic brand.
Radhe Amatin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-04 12:28:33 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
T3's are nice but generally not needed for LS sites. Pilgrim is a great little ship for this. Tank it for the rats you shooting and you can get in some DDA's. I used to use a Gila in my early days, it nice as it can field 5 sentry drones.


pilgrim is nice but a little expensive.... and takes longer to train for them.

I`d say stick with a myrm or prophecy for a while.....until u learn the workings of low sec and the local population(who are the pirates, who are the indy's and other pve players ). Its cheap about 90 mils to buy and fit one.


Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-04 13:13:50 UTC
I use an ishtar for most things but the vexor is perfectly capable of dealing with low sec mag sites. Some of the radars I have tried can start throwing bigger stuff at you and so the extra dps of the ishtar can be handy for keeping time requirements down.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2013-03-04 17:46:11 UTC
Many of the mentioned ships work, but i would just say go with a tengu, especially if you intend to move around without switching ships and don't want to worry about doing difficult combat complexes. You'll need some good missile skills, but you'll get the benefit of warping cloaked and the extreme ease of having 50% bonus scan strength on your probes. Tank won't be an issue. DPS may be an issue, since with cloak/probes/salvager you'll have a max of 4 missile slots. You can mitigate this through using the correct damage type (covert sub bonus is RoF, not kinetic specific) and through bringing t2/faction missiles (some lowsec prof sites have BS, switching to fury should handle those problems). The pilgrim probably has it beat on all of these areas except it will lack the probe strength.

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NoName Doe
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-03-05 13:28:56 UTC
Thanks so much to everyone that has replied so far. Since my first post i have decided to go with a Myrmidon as it seems to be an upgraded version of my vexor. Better tank and more than double my dps although i bit slower. I think i will stay with that for awhile as i get more practice and find its limits.

I just got it last night and fitted it, didnt have time to test it out on some of the sites my vexor was unable to complete but looking foward to doing so tonight. Ill let yall know how it goes. Im thinking even with the slower speeds of the myrmidon over the vexor, sites will go faster with my now more than doubled dps.

If this ship ends up working out well i think it will satisfy my low-sec needs for the time being. the next step i suppose is to decide on what ship to upgrade to from here but that might be a ways off.

Thanks again guys for the input so far. Ill try and post my fit when i have more time.

Cheers