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Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#21 - 2013-03-03 19:48:08 UTC
Unless Gallente Prime gets labeled a DMZ alongside with Caldari Prime, this has zero chance of happening.

If it were agreed to, the fleet garrisoning Caldari Prime would have to withdraw, which would leave it defenseless and prime for retaking by Federal forces. Even if it meant starting a war with the State, the possibility of removing a foreign power's foothold from within your home system has to be very tempting for Federal strategists.

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#22 - 2013-03-03 19:52:09 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
Unless Gallente Prime gets labeled a DMZ alongside with Caldari Prime, this has zero chance of happening.

If it were agreed to, the fleet garrisoning Caldari Prime would have to withdraw, which would leave it defenseless and prime for retaking by Federal forces. Even if it meant starting a war with the State, the possibility of removing a foreign power's foothold from within your home system has to be very tempting for Federal strategists.


Indeed. The entire system would need to be labeled as DMZ, not just Caldari Prime.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#23 - 2013-03-03 19:52:10 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:


Lyn Farel wrote:
Could you clarify thet meaning of "full autonomy", and "sovereignty" and what it implies exactly?


I think these terms are fairly straightforward and well understood by the general capsuleer population. The precise details are what I think it would be best for the diplomats to hammer out formally. However, it probably would be of use for Caldari Citizens to express what their viewpoint is on what "Sovereignty" of Caldari Prime means to them. For my part, I believe that the Gallente population of Caldari Prime should be assured of their ability to govern themselves and maintain their rights within the structure of the Caldari State, as well as their access to free travel within the Federation.


That is precisely why I asked.

Full autonomy can mean a lot of things. Would the gallente citizens living here under Caldari law and control ? Would that even be full autonomy ? But they would not have to live under a megacorporation employment and contract ?

How do you conciliate the fact that Caldari law and society applies to individuals actually within their megacorporation and the contract that binds them to it ? There is no Caldari law or societal structure for the outcasts. And if your gallente locals remains autonomous while still answering to Caldari laws makes them basically to Caldari eyes... disassociated. Disassociated and jaijin.

Or do they remain out of Caldari law and society... while still living with them ? Or are you planning to separate them both and build walls behind their communities ? Who, then, would rule the gallente districts ? Still the Caldari ? The State ? A megacorporation ?

Do not misunderstand me, I find your proposal interesting and seems to be like a compromise reached with difficulty amongst capsuleers, but these points really need to be adressed since otherwise, I believe that the proposal remains just what it is : vague and unrealistic.


I don't think it is for me to dictate the terms that either party would live under. I think the population of Caldari Prime should negotiate that agreement for themselves. I expect it to be a long and difficult process. There will be disputes on every sort of topic between people living on any populated world, and Caldari Prime is no different. This proposal is not meant to be a plan for the internal governance of Caldari Prime, it is meant to be a proposal that prevents international conflict over the settling of those questions.

Right now the Luminare System is at the brink of destruction. Removing the possibility of wide scale planetary atrocity as an outcome should be our most urgent priority. Not dickering over the subsections and clauses of Caldari corporate structure or Gallente bureaucracy.

What needs to happen now is for capsuleers to call upon both Empires to come to the negotiating table and start the process for immediate withdrawal of the Caldari Navy, and have CONCORD assure the security of Caldari Prime from the Gallente military reprisals feared in the State.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#24 - 2013-03-03 19:59:14 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
Unless Gallente Prime gets labeled a DMZ alongside with Caldari Prime, this has zero chance of happening.

If it were agreed to, the fleet garrisoning Caldari Prime would have to withdraw, which would leave it defenseless and prime for retaking by Federal forces. Even if it meant starting a war with the State, the possibility of removing a foreign power's foothold from within your home system has to be very tempting for Federal strategists.


Simon Louvaki wrote:
Indeed. The entire system would need to be labeled as DMZ, not just Caldari Prime.


I think both of you are missing the part about having orbital security around Caldari Prime guaranteed by CONCORD. Any breach of the peace would expose the offender to immediate reprisals by DED military assets, as well as the forces of opposing Empire navies.

Personally, I don't think declaring Gallente Prime or the Luminaire System in its entirety a DMZ would be necessary. CONCORD has ample ability to monitor military activity within the system and act if needed in the case of any attack on Caldari Prime.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#25 - 2013-03-03 20:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Aquila Shadow wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
What does the Federation get for the concession of Luminaire VII?


The Federation citizens on Caldari Prime and Gallente Prime get to live. Why you want something more?

Rinai's suggestion (or whom ever it was that first suggested it) is probably the most realistic of the ones that have been floating around.

So let me paraphrase, if we give you want you want, you won't murder millions of our people. How very generous of you. Yes we want something more and before we allow you to keep Caldari Prime we will have it.

Ma'dame Rinai, I hope you see the attitude of those you are trying to appease.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#26 - 2013-03-03 20:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Now your just being snide. Denying an unreasonable demand does not lessen the importance of Home. It does however show your not committed to the cause of peace.

Why is his demand unreasonable? Now your demands not only involve Caldari Prime but the entire Luminaire system. Unreasonable?

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#27 - 2013-03-03 20:49:41 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Mentus Blaque is unpopular with a lot of people because he tells the truth when the majority are too afraid to tell it themselves. Tibus Heth is a menace, and if the Caldari don't remove him from power then it's up to the Federation, whether the Caldari want it or not.

Think about it, this man killed thousands of his own loyal citizens, many of them people who supported his regime and made him the man he is, just for peacefully protesting. He just had them shot up and isn't even willing to say anything about it. If he felt he made a mistake he would of told us by now. I'm going to repeat myself again, he slaughtered his own people. Imagine what he would do to people he considers his enemies, in other words the Federation? Tibus Heth, if given the chance, would show no mercy to Gallente men, women, and children. He could even order a genocide if he wanted to, his soldiers are nothing but drones. They see what Heth wants them to see, they hear what Heth wants them to hear, and they do what Heth want them.

Heth staying in power is a threat to not only the Caldari State, but the Gallente Federation. He has a Titan just a few AU away from our homeworld. The situation is a lot like having a serial killer in your home with a loaded gun. If you don't get rid of him, then we might be forced to.

James Syagrius wrote:
What does the Federation get for the concession of Luminaire VII?


Nothing, which is fine. We are Gallente, we do things because they are the right thing to do. We aren't centered on making profits or appeasing a God.

Caldari Prime needs to belong to the Caldari and Tibus Heth has to be ousted from power. If these two things are never accomplished there will never be peace.


You cannot be this naive.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#28 - 2013-03-03 21:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
James Syagrius wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Now your just being snide. Denying an unreasonable demand does not lessen the importance of Home. It does however show your not committed to the cause of peace.

Why is his demand unreasonable? Now your demands not only involve Caldari Prime but the entire Luminaire system. Unreasonable?


As I outlined, Black Rise contains more than one world, hundreds of billions of people as well as trillions of ISK in coprorate assets. If your looking at it this from a pure exchange angle, we're asking for a single planet in contrast to Andreus asking for an entire region. The deal is entirely heavy handed in favor of the Federation to the point that it could never be even considered. This is simply how it is.

Also, as I previously mentioned; Black Rise never has, nor ever was, part of the Federation. Were asking you to drop the claim on our homeworld, your asking us to hand over billions of our citizens and expand the Federation's boarders even closer to our new Home.

Now in contrast to that, I'm asking for Caldari Prime to remain sovereign territory of the Caldari State, the willful demilitarization of the Luminarie system to act as a mutual meeting ground and buffer zone for our two races (as it contains both our Homes but neither of our governments head) but not demanding the change of ownership of any other worlds. Federation planets will remain under the Federation as well as all stations.

In this scenario, CONCORD takes up patrol and military control over the space lanes. I'm not demanding the entire Luminarie system change hands, I'm asking CONCORD to take up security that puts both of our fleets far from either of our Homeworlds and thus out of striking distance.

Surely you see how this is different than what Andreus is asking.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#29 - 2013-03-03 21:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Simon Louvaki wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Now your just being snide. Denying an unreasonable demand does not lessen the importance of Home. It does however show your not committed to the cause of peace.

Why is his demand unreasonable? Now your demands not only involve Caldari Prime but the entire Luminaire system. Unreasonable?


As I outlined, Black Rise contains more than one world, hundreds of billions of people as well as trillions of ISK in coprorate assets. If your looking at it this from a pure exchange angle, we're asking for a single planet in contrast to Andreus asking for an entire region. The deal is entirely heavy handed in favor of the Federation to the point that it could never be even considered. This is simply how it is.

Now in contrast to that, I'm asking for Caldari Prime to remain sovereign territory of the Caldari State, the willful demilitarization of the Luminarie system to act as a mutual meeting ground and buffer zone for our two races (as it contains both our Homes but neither of our governments head) but not demanding the change of ownership of any other worlds. Federation planets will remain under the Federation as well as all stations.

In this scenario, CONCORD takes up patrol and military control over the space lanes. I'm not demanding the entire Luminarie system change hands, I'm asking CONCORD to take up security that puts both of our fleets far from either of our Homeworlds and thus out of striking distance.

Surely you see how this is different than what Andreus is asking.

Of course we don't expect you to cede Black Rise Simon I was being facetious. But what your asking is no less "unreasonable". Now not only are you asking for concession of Caldari Prime but the demilitarization of the entire system. Unreasonable?

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#30 - 2013-03-03 21:25:41 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

Of course we don't expect you to cede Black Rise. But what your asking is no less "unreasonable". Now not only are you asking for concession of Caldari Prime but the demilitarization of the entire system. Unreasonable?


I'm not opposed to a reasonable exchange for Home, but reasonable remains the optimal word. As for the demilitarization of Luminarie; why is it unreasonable? what does the Federation stand to loose from such an agreement if CONCORD were to take over control of security?

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#31 - 2013-03-03 21:36:45 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

Of course we don't expect you to cede Black Rise. But what your asking is no less "unreasonable". Now not only are you asking for concession of Caldari Prime but the demilitarization of the entire system. Unreasonable?


I'm not opposed to a reasonable exchange for Home, but reasonable remains the optimal word. As for the demilitarization of Luminarie; why is it unreasonable? what does the Federation stand to loose from such an agreement if CONCORD were to take over control of security?

Now your being snide. Where was CONCORD when the State took Caldari Prime?

The Federation may well accept State control of Caldari Prime for "reasonable" concessions to obtain an honorable peace.

But I will never support a peace that requires us to cede sovereignty of Luminaire.

You ask for everything and offer nothing.

It troubles me to say it but I am beginning to suspect when you say peace you mean victory for the State.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#32 - 2013-03-03 21:47:16 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

Now your being snide. Where was CONCORD when the State took Caldari Prime?

The Federation may well accept State control of Caldari Prime for "reasonable" concessions to obtain an honorable peace.

But I will never support a peace that requires us to cede sovereignty of Luminaire.

You ask for everything and offer nothing.

It troubles me to say it but I am beginning to suspect when you say peace you mean victory for the State.


Forgive me, I realize its hard to convey emotion over this interface but I assure you I am not being snide.

I am not asking you cede sovereignty of any Federation territory. As I said every planet and station in the Luminarie system with the exclusion of Caldari Prime would remain without doubt or debate in Federation hands. If I'm asking you to cede anything, its the vacuum between these heavenly bodies in which they would be controlled by a joint force of the four Empires under the unquestionable law of CONCORD. A force that will act as a deterrent to both of our nations from ever threatening each others Homeworlds again.

Now, I fail to see how this means victory for the State. This doesn't solve the various problems of the Heth regime and in fact, it almost ensures that focus cannot be re-directed back at the Federation by giving Heth something to rally the people and Megas around. I can't stress enough how an attack on Caldari Prime will not end in a glorious victory for the Federation.

As for where was CONCORD when Heth invaded; perhaps you should ask your Matari allies. I distinctly remember Thunker as well as Republic vessels in the vids of the Elder Fleets assault on the Yulai Station that paralyzed CONCORD.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-03-03 22:49:16 UTC
Mr Louvaki

Yes this is a very compicated ecuation to solve... personaly i dont think the issue is to let the State have Caldari prime as a planet, or to make the entire system non military, the problem is Gallante is a Democracy, it cant give up its people living on Caldari Prime... its the same thing that ties the Gallante Millitary from going to action, the cost for the Gallante goverment would be to big if they tried to take back Caldari prime and that lead to the Titan fireing and killing the people living there, so its a catch 22, they cant act, they cant back down, its a stalemate

The worrying thing in this equation, with the unrest in the state, and i think many Gallante in the officer cadre actually wished there was some kind of "provocation" that made the Titan fire, couse that be a Casus beli, it would be the wake up call in a slumbering Democracy, to turn its industry to War, and i think we can both agree that would be a non desired end result of the equation

We been discusing in a other tread about this as well, and i again say that the following is probably the best solotion to this stalmate...

The system is non militariced

Caldari Prime is regeraded as a Caldari planet

The Gallante People living on Caldari prime would be subject to autonoms rule if they so desire, im sure this can be solved by the politicians, there are alot of legal issues with land, assets etc, but both sides have to give and take in this
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#34 - 2013-03-03 22:56:11 UTC
I agree entirely Ms. Ivory.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#35 - 2013-03-03 23:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Simon Louvaki wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

Now your being snide. Where was CONCORD when the State took Caldari Prime?

The Federation may well accept State control of Caldari Prime for "reasonable" concessions to obtain an honorable peace.

But I will never support a peace that requires us to cede sovereignty of Luminaire.

You ask for everything and offer nothing.

It troubles me to say it but I am beginning to suspect when you say peace you mean victory for the State.


Forgive me, I realize its hard to convey emotion over this interface but I assure you I am not being snide.

I am not asking you cede sovereignty of any Federation territory. As I said every planet and station in the Luminarie system with the exclusion of Caldari Prime would remain without doubt or debate in Federation hands. If I'm asking you to cede anything, its the vacuum between these heavenly bodies in which they would be controlled by a joint force of the four Empires under the unquestionable law of CONCORD. A force that will act as a deterrent to both of our nations from ever threatening each others Homeworlds again.

Now, I fail to see how this means victory for the State. This doesn't solve the various problems of the Heth regime and in fact, it almost ensures that focus cannot be re-directed back at the Federation by giving Heth something to rally the people and Megas around. I can't stress enough how an attack on Caldari Prime will not end in a glorious victory for the Federation.

As for where was CONCORD when Heth invaded; perhaps you should ask your Matari allies. I distinctly remember Thunker as well as Republic vessels in the vids of the Elder Fleets assault on the Yulai Station that paralyzed CONCORD.


Simon, I don't mean to be cross with you personally. You know I have the greatest respect for you and what your trying to do.

But I am not so certain that bolstering Heth by feigning aggression towards Caldari Prime and the State at large doesn't foward our interests.

To be very honest the Heth regime is currently destabilizing the State.

If the opinions expressed by your peers in the State are any reelection of what we can expect from the State after his removal, then perhaps its in our interest to indirectly "support" him and allow the current hostilities within the State to continue.

In effect by strengthing Heth we may well be weakening the State. Its a twisted game I know. But we have very little left.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2013-03-03 23:09:25 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

Of course we don't expect you to cede Black Rise. But what your asking is no less "unreasonable". Now not only are you asking for concession of Caldari Prime but the demilitarization of the entire system. Unreasonable?


I'm not opposed to a reasonable exchange for Home, but reasonable remains the optimal word. As for the demilitarization of Luminarie; why is it unreasonable? what does the Federation stand to loose from such an agreement if CONCORD were to take over control of security?

Now your being snide. Where was CONCORD when the State took Caldari Prime?


Where was the Gallente Navy when the State took Caldari Prime ?
Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-03-03 23:12:14 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

Now your being snide. Where was CONCORD when the State took Caldari Prime?


Where was the Gallente Navy when the State took Caldari Prime ?


Neither one of these questions are relevant if you read the history of what transpired.
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#38 - 2013-03-03 23:26:13 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

I am not so certain that bolstering Heth by feigning aggression towards Caldari Prime and the State at large doesn't foward our interests.


The Federation's promise to return Home to Federal jurisdiction is the boon that keeps Heth in power. What I hope to make clear is that at the moment the Federation and the war is somewhat of a side note compared to the growing unrest to the Caldari people. What you don't want is to give Heth a reason to bring the war back into the forefront of Caldari minds, because in the end what Heth needs is something to take the spot light off him and his personal failures and back towards foreign threat.

James Syagrius wrote:

To be very honest the Heth regime is currently destabilizing the State.

If the opinions expressed by your peers in the State are any reelection of what we can expect from the State after his removal, then perhaps its in our interest to indirectly "support" him and allow the current hostilities within the State to continue.

In effect by strengthing Heth we may well be weakening the State. Its a twisted game I know. But we have very little left.


I agree, which is both fortunate and unfortunate for both the Federation and those who wish to see the State free of him and the Provists.

The best thing the Federation can do to see an end to Heth and this war is let Caldari deal with Caldari problems. You don't need to support Heth, you just need to be sure not to give the people of the State a reason to fight you instead of him. The well being of the collective will always be engrained in the back of the people as a whole, its what ensured our survival and if threatened from the outside we will rally against it.

As I've said in another thread, even though bitter rivals, SuVee and KK will always put their differences aside when threatened as a whole. The Federation needs to hold its own, stay the course and stay out of State affairs if there is any hope to an end to this madness.

The only way Heth will be removed from power is if he looses popular support from the people. The only way that is going to happen is if he becomes the biggest problem of the collective.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#39 - 2013-03-04 02:37:36 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

I am not so certain that bolstering Heth by feigning aggression towards Caldari Prime and the State at large doesn't forward our interests.
The Federation's promise to return Home to Federal jurisdiction is the boon that keeps Heth in power. What I hope to make clear is that at the moment the Federation and the war is somewhat of a side note compared to the growing unrest to the Caldari people. What you don't want is to give Heth a reason to bring the war back into the forefront of Caldari minds, because in the end what Heth needs is something to take the spot light off him and his personal failures and back towards foreign threat.

A side note! Really! Simon there is a Titan aimed at Gallente Prime. So forgive me if I don't really care if your distracted by infighting.

Simon Louvaki wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

To be very honest the Heth regime is currently destabilizing the State.

If the opinions expressed by your peers in the State represent what we can expect from the State after his removal, then perhaps its in our interest to indirectly "support" him and allow the current hostilities within the State to continue.

In effect by strengthening Heth we may well be weakening the State. Its a twisted game I know. But we have very little left.
I agree, which is both fortunate and unfortunate for both the Federation and those who wish to see the State free of him and the Provosts.

The best thing the Federation can do to see an end to Heth and this war is let Caldari deal with Caldari problems. You don't need to support Heth, you just need to be sure not to give the people of the State a reason to fight you instead of him. The well being of the collective will always be ingrained in the back of the people as a whole, its what ensured our survival and if threatened from the outside we will rally against it.

How does it serve the Federation to "let Caldari deal with Caldari problems"?

You made your problems ours when you invaded soverign Federal space and occupied Luminaire VII. Yes I will call it Luminaire VII and not Caldari Prime until you stop using the propagandist term "Home".

Simon Louvaki wrote:
As I've said in another thread, even though bitter rivals, SuVee and KK will always put their differences aside when threatened as a whole. The Federation needs to hold its own, stay the course and stay out of State affairs if there is any hope to an end to this madness.

The only way Heth will be removed from power is if he looses popular support from the people. The only way that is going to happen is if he becomes the biggest problem of the collective.

Again I am not sure the absence of your beloved Executor serves the interests of the Federation.

What measure of good will shown to us by the State would prompt such a selfless response from the Federation?

If our roles were reversed could you honestly say you wouldn't take advantage of such an opportunity?

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#40 - 2013-03-04 03:00:40 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

A side note! Really! Simon there is a Titan aimed at Gallente Prime. So forgive me if I don't really care if your distracted by infighting.


Infighting is what keeps that Leviathan from glassing Gallente Prime, James.

James Syagrius wrote:


How does it serve the Federation to "let Caldari deal with Caldari problems"?


By letting Heth make himself the enemy of the Caldari people, thus hastening his fall from power and paving the way for level headed Caldari to forge a lasting peace with the Federation.

James Syagrius wrote:

You made your problems ours when you invaded soverign Federal space and occupied Luminaire VII. Yes I will call it Luminaire VII and not Caldari Prime until you stop using the propagandist term "Home".


I'm not concerned with what you call Home,or in fact what other people call it. If you prefer, I will call it Caldari Prime when speaking with you.

James Syagrius wrote:

Again I am not sure the absence of your beloved Executor serves the interests of the Federation.

What measure of good will shown to us by the State would prompt such a selfless response from the Federation?

If our roles were reversed could you honestly say you wouldn't take advantage of such an opportunity?


Heth is what prevents the hope of lasting peace, that's how his absence serves the interests of the Federation. That is unless your revising your previously expressed position as a dove to that of a hawk.

Now the Gallente are not the Caldari, which is vital to this scenario. If the Federation was in our position would the emergence of an outside threat deter the infighting?

I can't say that I know, but If it was me I would consider how my enemy has historically reacted to outside threats previously before I decided to act. If I were to apply how the Caldari will react to the Gallente then I must honestly say that no, I would not take advantage because all it would do is unify them against me and ensure a long and bloody war.

What you perceive isn't an opportunity, its the first nail in your coffin. If we must disagree then we must and I will refrain from debating further. I have no interest in turning a friend into an enemy.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb