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Is the high use of ALT's adding a lot more to the general chaos of EVE then other games?
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DSpite Culhach
#1 - 2013-03-02 05:40:02 UTC
EVE is unique. Space combats where you can lose your shirt (when you fly what you can't afford to lose), espionage, betrayal, corp theft, you name it. The closest other games get to this is cries of "he stole my dropz!" so really, light years apart.

Thing is, a lot of all that is only really something that can be done by having secrets secondary toons, often passing intel to yourself, for yourself, to get the deed done, at times only possible when you have more then one account logged in at the same time, which is why these days, unless you have 20 million SP's and have been given a nanobot probe enema, people won't even talk to you

Was ALT using always such a big metagame, even at the start, or did gank alts, awoxing alts, spy alts etc etc develop gradually as EVE became more complex?

I personally like that aspect of the game, but it makes it frigging hard for newer players to actually join some corps, and I guess slows down the process of them moving out of hisec quickly, unless they are known as the player and not the character.


I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#2 - 2013-03-02 05:43:06 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
EVE is unique. Space combats where you can lose your shirt (when you fly what you can't afford to lose), espionage, betrayal, corp theft, you name it. The closest other games get to this is cries of "he stole my dropz!" so really, light years apart.

Thing is, a lot of all that is only really something that can be done by having secrets secondary toons, often passing intel to yourself, for yourself, to get the deed done, at times only possible when you have more then one account logged in at the same time, which is why these days, unless you have 20 million SP's and have been given a nanobot probe enema, people won't even talk to you

Was ALT using always such a big metagame, even at the start, or did gank alts, awoxing alts, spy alts etc etc develop gradually as EVE became more complex?

I personally like that aspect of the game, but it makes it frigging hard for newer players to actually join some corps, and I guess slows down the process of them moving out of hisec quickly, unless they are known as the player and not the character.





Alt abuse has been around since the first year, and is in every game ever. (See the WoW dude who runs his own raids).

Technique to use if youre new yourself: Buddy system/power of two yourself, plex your main and new account for same cost.

It helps when you have more than 1 thing to offer to any large group. :)
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-03-02 05:58:34 UTC
Iminent Penance wrote:
..........

It helps when you have more than 1 thing to offer to any large group. :)


you saw that video to?
DSpite Culhach
#4 - 2013-03-02 06:11:50 UTC
Is the majority of use these days for "specialization"? I hear often buzzwords such as Falcon/Carrier/Scout/Market Alts and so on, simply because making new toons on a single account is a time grindfest, hell I made an alt just to make my damn ammo ...

I know a lot of people create pirates on alts to get more fun, are there other more "whacky" use of alts other then ganking? Do many people try and put toons in opposing corps these days, or is that pretty much a wide spread thing people do?

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#5 - 2013-03-02 06:17:57 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
Is the majority of use these days for "specialization"? I hear often buzzwords such as Falcon/Carrier/Scout/Market Alts and so on, simply because making new toons on a single account is a time grindfest, hell I made an alt just to make my damn ammo ...

I know a lot of people create pirates on alts to get more fun, are there other more "whacky" use of alts other then ganking? Do many people try and put toons in opposing corps these days, or is that pretty much a wide spread thing people do?



Well here, you can spend 7 years training for everything, or 1 year and 7 toons and accomplish the same. There are a LOT of advantages to alts due to eve's setup with skills and other grinding tasks. Thus, alts have been around forever
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-03-02 06:52:46 UTC
Having a 'specialised' alt gives several advantages. First of, your alt will be immediately at the location of his/her proffession.
A Market alt for instance is generally located in a Trade Hub, a manufacturing/research alt near your POS etc.

Another advantage is that of clone costs. When you hit those higher SP counts, the cost of your clone is going to add up. Having alts to do some of the things you like to do in this game so your main doesn't have to train for them alleviates this problem somewhat. If I had to start all over, I'd probably get an RnD alt done properly, and not have my main halfway through it, I have about 20M SPs in industrial activities, which I could have put on an alt, saving me clone costs.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#7 - 2013-03-02 07:09:07 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
but it makes it frigging hard for newer players to actually join some corps, and I guess slows down the process of them moving out of hisec quickly, unless they are known as the player and not the character.

Highsec is the golden Promised Land of New Eden, I see no problem with this.

Even "experienced" EVE Online players are finding that returning to CONCORD's little fenced-off pastures is the way to live life as a capsuleer.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#8 - 2013-03-02 07:11:11 UTC
Iminent Penance wrote:
DSpite Culhach wrote:
Is the majority of use these days for "specialization"? I hear often buzzwords such as Falcon/Carrier/Scout/Market Alts and so on, simply because making new toons on a single account is a time grindfest, hell I made an alt just to make my damn ammo ...

I know a lot of people create pirates on alts to get more fun, are there other more "whacky" use of alts other then ganking? Do many people try and put toons in opposing corps these days, or is that pretty much a wide spread thing people do?



Well here, you can spend 7 years training for everything, or 1 year and 7 toons and accomplish the same. There are a LOT of advantages to alts due to eve's setup with skills and other grinding tasks. Thus, alts have been around forever

Not really, suppose you have 6 things to train taking a year each and needing 1 year of support skills. Then it's (7 on one) or (2 years each on 6).

Combat alts might have 6 months of supports... an alt which just checks jita prices or something obviously needs less.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?