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Logitech G13 Advanced Gameboard - This Allowed?

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Alphax45
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-03-02 00:54:18 UTC
Can anyone comment on if using this: http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/product/g13-advanced-gameboard?crid=349 is allowed?
Bill Serkoff2
Tachyon Technology
#2 - 2013-03-02 00:56:19 UTC
Why wouldn't it be?

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#3 - 2013-03-02 00:57:43 UTC
I'm not CCP, but the rule usually is if it makes your life simpler like special hot-keys, etc, then it's fine. If it does automation (ie you set it up and go walk the dog while it does tasks for you) you can't use it. CCP just don't want people botting, or acting like bots. If you're going to play the game you should actually play the game.

Also anything that looks at or injects anything into the client file(s) and or memory space is a no no.
Ai Shun
#4 - 2013-03-02 00:59:01 UTC
Bill Serkoff2 wrote:
Why wouldn't it be?


He's probably asking about macro use.
auraofblade
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-02 01:41:10 UTC
I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't care about keystroke macros. They only care when it's full blown "follow entire sequence repeatedly" or "do one thing across multiple accounts" macros.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2013-03-02 01:45:38 UTC
auraofblade wrote:
I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't care about keystroke macros. They only care when it's full blown "follow entire sequence repeatedly" or "do one thing across multiple accounts" macros.

^^^ That.

Anything that can be done by simply faceplanting the keyboard (admittedly, with some pretty unique precision) is entirely ok. Just stay away from timers, delayers and repeaters and you'll pretty much be safe.
Alphax45
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-02 01:48:02 UTC
Thanks all! Just wasn't 100% sure where the line is on this type of thing, makes sense.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#8 - 2013-03-02 03:07:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
auraofblade wrote:
I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't care about keystroke macros. They only care when it's full blown "follow entire sequence repeatedly" or "do one thing across multiple accounts" macros.

^^^ That.

Anything that can be done by simply faceplanting the keyboard (admittedly, with some pretty unique precision) is entirely ok. Just stay away from timers, delayers and repeaters and you'll pretty much be safe.


This is afaik pretty much the rule of thumb. if it just makes it easier for you to do 3 things at once by pressing 1 button, fine. if it makes you do stuff without having to do anythign at all, not ok.

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#9 - 2013-03-02 04:37:06 UTC
Hmm, sounds like the whole nerf button discussion you get in other PvP games. One side will say "You have to hit a button to cause an action", while the other side says "Yeah, but you replace key combinations by just repeatedly hitting the same button".

This game it doesn't matter that much. It isn't like you need to time your dots with your burst attacks for WTFPWN damage. Here you just need to spend years, not neccessarily at your keyboard, training your combat skills to V. Then you can burst noobs without having to worry about hitting more than one key.
T'Laar Bok
#10 - 2013-03-02 05:08:22 UTC
No problem but only use AUR the macro scripting language it comes with or you will get banned. There are no exceptions even for disabled people like me who need just a little extra help with drop down menus, selecting txt, etc .

Luckily my macros could be rewritten in AUR (some even worked better ) but I still received a 2 week ban.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-03-02 06:36:16 UTC
Just be careful about how you program it, note the following from the GM post found here.

Quote:
G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!




Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2013-03-02 07:20:10 UTC
Alphax45 wrote:
Can anyone comment on if using this: http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/product/g13-advanced-gameboard?crid=349 is allowed?

EULA wrote:
CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.

Essentially you allowed to use it, as long as you don't use it in a manner that gives you an unfair advantage over those that do not.

If you have a specific usage you are concerned about, petition a GM first.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#13 - 2013-03-02 10:56:48 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Then you can burst noobs without having to worry about hitting more than one key.


Here the burst attack is carried out by your half dozen friends in tornadoes...
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-02 12:35:28 UTC
I'm still working on a macro that will go to work for me for 8 hours a day...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2013-03-02 14:04:10 UTC
Annihilious wrote:
I'm still working on a macro that will go to work for me for 8 hours a day...

Oh, that's just a matter of setting up your email filtering and auto-response.

If first mail of the day containing "lunch" reply "I rather fancy a curry".
If second mail of the day containing "lunch" reply "No, yuck! That place is awful. So are you guys. I'm not waiting for you — off now."
For all other mail reply "I'll get you the document by Friday"
GreenSeed
#16 - 2013-03-02 14:46:17 UTC
i have that keyboard, and the macro functionality is dismal. anything more complicated than plain text is either impossible or requires so many "creative problem solving" that using the macros ends up being more work than simply "doing it without a macro".

that said, inside the eve environment all you can do is have a bunch of preset witty responses in text so you can seem like a fast typer when trash talking in local. Cool

people have a very wrong idea about macro functionality... in a keyboard. what do you think it can do? play the game for you?

people that use macros to automate processes within a game use macro software, with OCR, variables and some basic logic functions thrown in, not crappy gaming hardware that has macros as a pointless extra feature that no one will ever use... other than to have one key binded to launching the windows calculator, and another one that types out your overly complicated email, made way back when you were younger. xD
Kaahles
Jion Keanturi
#17 - 2013-03-02 15:04:01 UTC
General rule of thumb that could be applied here:
If it does not duplicate actions on multiple game instances running at the same time and you need to actually still sit at your computer to do stuff you'll be fine.

Disclaimer: This is not based on any kind of answer/comment I personally received from any CCP staff however it's a very basic and obvious interpretation of the EULA section posted above plus this is how it is handled in about 99% of all online games.

Besides as it has been mentioned before keyboard macros on that particular level are vastly overestimated.
GreenSeed
#18 - 2013-03-02 15:25:36 UTC
Kaahles wrote:
General rule of thumb that could be applied here:
If it does not duplicate actions on multiple game instances running at the same time and you need to actually still sit at your computer to do stuff you'll be fine.

Disclaimer: This is not based on any kind of answer/comment I personally received from any CCP staff however it's a very basic and obvious interpretation of the EULA section posted above plus this is how it is handled in about 99% of all online games.

Besides as it has been mentioned before keyboard macros on that particular level are vastly overestimated.

absolutely not true.

there isn't a single game that doesn't allow broadcasting, not one. there are many both legal and technical limitations to even putting such limitation on an EULA. there are whoever, many games that don't allow players to have more than one account, or to connect to a server in multiple instances from the same IP, such as most F2P mmos.

instead of asking for CCP to ban players from using broadcasting functionality that's built in DirectX and in the operating system, and doing so relying in some half assed sense of righteousness, why not just go ahead and change your request to "CCP should not allow players to run more than one client".


lets see how far you go asking for that... Blink

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#19 - 2013-03-02 17:23:22 UTC
GreenSeedwhy not just go ahead and change your request to "[i wrote:
CCP should not allow players to run more than one client[/i]".


lets see how far you go asking for that... Blink

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Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-03-02 20:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
Alphax45 wrote:
Can anyone comment on if using this: http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/product/g13-advanced-gameboard?crid=349 is allowed?

It's basically just the Logitech ripoff of the Nostromo. I've used both and found the Nostromo superior. Either one is basically just a small keyboard with a jotstick/d-pad stuck to the side. They're handy for MMOs where you have to move with WASD and push hotkeys at the same time, but pretty much useless for Eve. I use my Naga for Eve instead. I don't understand why the OP is even asking a silly question like whether he's allowed to use a keyboard for a PC game.

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