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Dog fighting in EvE?
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Prekaz
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#21 - 2013-02-28 21:28:22 UTC
I don't understand how anyone who has ever played this game could possibly think that this would be viable.
Skorpynekomimi
#22 - 2013-02-28 21:30:27 UTC
No.
That is not what EVE is about. EVE is about COMMANDING the ship, not flying it. If you want dogfights, go play a flight sim.

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Makavelia
National Industries
#23 - 2013-02-28 21:38:49 UTC
I'd be happy with the option to at-least manualy piolit the likes of frigates, even if the firing remains auto.

In-fact i'd like the ability to manualy turn and manauver any vessel. A lot of the formations and so so in eve are a damn joke to navigate through with the ''click to move'' or ''aproach''.

This game could easily handel manual control over a ship.. and it would be a real boost in tranversel efforts yada yada.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#24 - 2013-02-28 21:39:32 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Meh.
With the exceptions of fighters, fighter-bombers, and drones, ships and other combatants don't get close enough for this to be even remotely necessary. Think about it - you set an orbit of, say, 2500 meters. Two and a half kilometers. Almost 8000 feet. For most ships, all you're going to see is a distant glint, and maybe an engine flare at that range. Oh, you wanna see the weapons racing at you? Well, that's already do-able.

Set an orbit of 5000 meters, and you're not even going to see the engine flares.

Sorry - EVE doesn't produce the kind of Star Wars 'air combat in space' action that would require or reward a joystick.

So you're telling me that you won't be able, at 2.5 km distance, to see a ship that's over half the length of an American football field?

Do recall that you're in space. Not a particularly good environment for retro-reflection - Espcially noting that very few of the ships in EVE have particularly high albedo. Expecially not at the speeds that EVE ships move.

Watch Space shuttle maneuvers some time - It'll be good for your understanding.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#25 - 2013-02-28 21:44:08 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
No

Remove standings and insurance.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#26 - 2013-02-28 21:53:56 UTC
Here you go, wish granted. Although honestly cockpit view would involve green goo and wall of your pod.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-03-01 00:02:52 UTC
I wouldn't mind if this was done for a new class of ship that is more like a drone or fighter.

Would be interesting if things like carriers had fighters aboard that were other players.

Not really sure why, as a pod pilot, I would want to fly a ship that can only shoot at what's in front of me. I suppose it would be like the an extreme sport for capsuleers.

None of the current ships function anything like an aircraft, they're boats in space; it wouldn't make sense to dog fight in them.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#28 - 2013-03-01 00:22:19 UTC
"Can we please have more lag?"

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Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#29 - 2013-03-01 00:26:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeko Rena
Oh god yes, "dog fighting" Titans Big smile
Hold joystick full right for 8 minutes to turn 40 degree
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#30 - 2013-03-01 00:37:20 UTC
Zeko Rena wrote:
Oh god yes, "dog fighting" Titans Big smile
Hold joystick full right for 8 minutes to turn 40 degree

Then TiDi kicks in and you do that just turn your interceptor around.

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Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#31 - 2013-03-01 00:37:44 UTC
Multimedia Carl wrote:

And that game is currently being made, with pretty much the aspects you want. It is called Star Citizen, id advise you to go look at it.


And as much as i hate to say it, there's going to be a mass exodus from EVE to SC as soon as it goes live...
Unless CCP can pull out a the stops and make EVE into the ultimate space sim theyve always wanted to.

Just sayin...

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-03-01 00:39:50 UTC
Shaera Taam wrote:
Multimedia Carl wrote:

And that game is currently being made, with pretty much the aspects you want. It is called Star Citizen, id advise you to go look at it.


And as much as i hate to say it, there's going to be a mass exodus from EVE to SC as soon as it goes live...
Unless CCP can pull out a the stops and make EVE into the ultimate space sim theyve always wanted to.

Just sayin...



I could swear I've heard this before... like 6x so far I think?

About once a year...

Star Trek Online was going to kill Eve too P

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Alara IonStorm
#33 - 2013-03-01 00:43:34 UTC
I would prefer if they changed Fighters entirely.

Take a look at a couple. Templar / Malleus

The measurements in game put them at 30ish meters long.

Templar / Shield: 2250 Armor: 3750 Structure: 4250 DPS: 100
Malleus / Shield: 4500 Armor: 7500 Structure: 8500 DPS: 400

The Fighters even have forward facing guns while they orbit...

I think they would be better if they removed the F-16 cockpits, up-sized these suckers to 150-200 meters long and made them sort of a giant Destroyer sized human drone kind of deal. Flavor text being no life support except for a cramped cockpit, pilot who trained all their life to be hooked up to a neural transceiver array and no previsions for a long flight. Everything about this ship is rock solid high tech, not an inch of space that could be used for defense or offense wasted for amenities, cargo or comfort.

A throw away lesser capsuleer who didn't make the cut and is going to go out in a blaze of glory in a disposable ship under the control of a real capsuleer for more money they could make doing anything else. Better then believing a 2500 meter Carrier can only launch 10-15, 30 meter long fighters with forward facing guns that somehow have more HP then a Cruiser and as much DPS as some Frigates with massive turrets.
Alara IonStorm
#34 - 2013-03-01 00:44:11 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

I could swear I've heard this before... like 6x so far I think?

About once a year...

Star Trek Online was going to kill Eve too P

It did, your dreaming.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#35 - 2013-03-01 00:48:57 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Shaera Taam wrote:
Multimedia Carl wrote:

And that game is currently being made, with pretty much the aspects you want. It is called Star Citizen, id advise you to go look at it.


And as much as i hate to say it, there's going to be a mass exodus from EVE to SC as soon as it goes live...
Unless CCP can pull out a the stops and make EVE into the ultimate space sim theyve always wanted to.

Just sayin...



I could swear I've heard this before... like 6x so far I think?

About once a year...

Star Trek Online was going to kill Eve too P


And SWTOR

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#36 - 2013-03-01 00:50:29 UTC
No to WASD idiocy, yes to 'cockpit view'.

IMO such an effect could be achieved by simply not rendering your own ship on your own client at all. With the new tracking camera you'd have your first person perspective, without the need to change any real game mechanic.
stoicfaux
#37 - 2013-03-01 01:08:21 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
You can't even do dogfighting in vehicle FPS games if the server happens to be on the wrong side of the Atlantic. And then the bandwidth may only have to deal with 20 people in total. Of which a majority are not even in vehicles.

Never mind a game like Eve that struggles to let a hundred people fight at all in the current combat system.


That the fights work the way they do is by no means an accident. It's to give precious room to balanced battles on a server that handles players from the entire globe.

Two words: Planetside.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-03-01 01:17:34 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Shaera Taam wrote:
Multimedia Carl wrote:

And that game is currently being made, with pretty much the aspects you want. It is called Star Citizen, id advise you to go look at it.


And as much as i hate to say it, there's going to be a mass exodus from EVE to SC as soon as it goes live...
Unless CCP can pull out a the stops and make EVE into the ultimate space sim theyve always wanted to.

Just sayin...



I could swear I've heard this before... like 6x so far I think?

About once a year...

Star Trek Online was going to kill Eve too P


And SWTOR


Also that vaporware space game that people were talking about for years

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-03-01 01:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Incindir Mauser
Sir Substance wrote:

I think you should link that. It seems like an unusual thing for a CCP developer to ask, since it's common knowledge among not just the devs but the playerbase at large that the destiny engine updates only once a second, and changing this would be a fundamental rewrite.


Okey dokey.


Quote:
"Unifex: We need to sit down and ask ourselves, what do we want EVE to be? What is that mad, crazy
stuff that you would love to put in? Is it joystick flight? Is it first-person mode, looking out your cockpit
window? Is it Ring Mining? What actually are those things, and do they make sense for what our game
actually is? Because we could put ponies in. We could put avatars in. We could put in first pers…"


http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_December_2012.pdf

Page 8 toward the bottom.

Immediately derailed by ponies. Yay ponies!

So back to how "all this impossible". Because nothing changes in ten years. No new code is written, no new hardware is made that is better than what was there before.

This is what CCP is marketing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI53ydJaus8

This is what we actually play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPcBoUABF4

I am actually really glad that I put this post up. Because I hope that perhaps someone of importance will see and realize how much institutional inertia there is with the player base to maintain the status quo, and put a stake through it's necrotic black heart. (The inertia, not the players.)

Which reminds me. I have a rant thread to write.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#40 - 2013-03-01 01:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

Also that vaporware space game that people were talking about for years


Crap, lost the name. I know the one, 10 minute video made in 2004 showing a little space flight and then atmospheric entry. Yeah it pops up on the forums at least once a year with mass exodus claims.


Then there's Hawken.

stoicfaux wrote:

Two words: Planetside.



Technically that's pronounced as one word.

Convoys rule.

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