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Being hunted?

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Agykoo Mishi
Orion Ore International II
#1 - 2013-02-28 19:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Agykoo Mishi
hello, recently I have begun to fly around a back water low sec area, just going around seeing who may or may not be a pirate, who looks like a scout, and so forth.

recently I was in a part of the back water low sec that has no stations. so I rarely see any one in it. however this time it was different as I found 2 people form the same 3 person corp, nether of them screamed pirate at me, I noticed on D-scan the one was in a venture (or at lest had a venture with his name on it) the other appeared to be in a probe.

after about 2-3 min's of me just having fun trying to find them on D-scan (been trying to get better at it, tho I don't pirate Oops) I noticed the probe left system. after about another 2-3 min's she came back, this time with the 3rd corp member who I saw was in a domi (thank you D-scan).

that's when I noticed the combat probes. having never seen one on d-scan before (played a long time off and on, just never bothered in low sec much) I was amused, then I noticed there where now 5 or so on d-scan. so I warped off to the other side of the solar system. d-scanned again and found none. but then not even a min latter found them around me again.

so I fingered I was being scanned down. so I went to the furthest planet area I could find. no probes for a while. went back to the same cluster area I was in before. saw a single combat probe. then 2 scans latter they where all back again. I repeated what I did with the back and forth, each time they followed me. until I just hide around the furthest point again.

I guess they got bored because they finally logged. I was wondering if they where really hunting me or if there's another reason to use combat probes over reg probes for scanning down sites?

2nd question, are the chances to find me in a T2 cov ops frig (what I fly) the same as if I was in a T1 frig?

Thank you ^_^


Edit: just wanted to add that i was never found and i was in cloak the whole time.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#2 - 2013-02-28 19:14:05 UTC
Agykoo Mishi wrote:

I guess they got bored because they finally logged. I was wondering if they where really hunting me or if there's another reason to use combat probes over reg probes for scanning down sites?

2nd question, are the chances to find me in a T2 cov ops frig (what I fly) the same as if I was in a T1 frig?

Thank you ^_^



Theres really no faster way to find sites other than core probes so yes, they were trying to find you.

The higher the sensor strength of a ship the harder it will be to scan down. Covert ops have more than twice the base sensor strength of their T1 hull.

The real question is why weren't you cloaked? While cloaked you do not show up on dscan nor can you be scanned down.

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Agykoo Mishi
Orion Ore International II
#3 - 2013-02-28 19:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Agykoo Mishi
Sexy Cakes wrote:

Theres really no faster way to find sites other than core probes so yes, they were trying to find you.

The higher the sensor strength of a ship the harder it will be to scan down. Covert ops have more than twice the base sensor strength of their T1 hull.

The real question is why weren't you cloaked? While cloaked you do not show up on dscan nor can you be scanned down.



o i was cloaked i asure you. i guess thats why they never found me, i was thinking maybe they where just bad or i warped around to much.

Thank you very much for the info.

Edit: love your name by the way
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#4 - 2013-02-28 21:38:54 UTC
This sparks a 3 year old question for me that needs revising. Can we scan down AFK cloakers yet`?

Feels like we should have been able shortly after some Eve beta testers discovered cloaking.

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Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-02-28 21:43:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rezig Huruta
No, it doesn't (need revising). That subject has been beat to death on multiple occasions.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#6 - 2013-02-28 21:44:33 UTC
If you were cloaked the whole time, it's probably safer to assume that they were looking for sites rather than targets.

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Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-02-28 21:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rezig Huruta
JAF Anders wrote:
If you were cloaked the whole time, it's probably safer to assume that they were looking for sites rather than targets.


Not with combat probes. They were probably defensively looking for you - thinking you were stalking them. So, they brought in some more combat power.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#8 - 2013-02-28 21:49:21 UTC
Rezig Huruta wrote:
JAF Anders wrote:
If you were cloaked the whole time, it's probably safer to assume that they were looking for sites rather than targets.


Not with combat probes. They were probably defensively looking for you - thinking you were stalking them. So, they brought in some more combat power.


I've never popped probes to find someone in local when he wasn't on d-scan. Do you?

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Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-02-28 21:53:32 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
Rezig Huruta wrote:
JAF Anders wrote:
If you were cloaked the whole time, it's probably safer to assume that they were looking for sites rather than targets.


Not with combat probes. They were probably defensively looking for you - thinking you were stalking them. So, they brought in some more combat power.


I've never popped probes to find someone in local when he wasn't on d-scan. Do you?


True. However, the OP said:

no probes for a while. went back to the same cluster area I was in before. saw a single combat probe. then 2 scans latter they where all back again. I repeated what I did with the back and forth, each time they followed me.

Sounds like someone wasn't cloaked 100% of the time, unless that is SHEER LUCK in dropping probes around the OP as he bounced around the system.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#10 - 2013-02-28 21:58:28 UTC
I'm thinking that OP's post isn't quite accurate with regard to the duration of cloak. Pirate

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-03-01 00:47:01 UTC
Just because you cannot see a ship on your directional scan does not mean he is cloaked.

This may be the case for some very compact systems, but in many systems it is easy enough to build yourself a safespot that is out of DS range of all celestials and even most / all warplines between celestials. Also those of us who built old-style deep safespots before the nerf will still hold many safespot boomarks that are still way outside DS range of anything you can warp to.

Sure you do not need a flight of combat probes to check the cloakedness of a character, a single DSP will suffice, but that’s often all that is available to a mid-skill prober.

If someone drops combat probes then they’re: Looking for a ship (or POS … but DS is way quicker); or They’ve forgotten their core probes; or They’re gridfu experts (but that’s a whole different story); or They’re using the presence of probes as a psy-warfare tool. If they drop combats and you are the only other person in system then it would be wise to assume they’re looking for you.

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Reppyk
The Black Shell
#12 - 2013-03-01 04:42:34 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Theres really no faster way to find sites other than core probes so yes, they were trying to find you.
ubad

Combat probes are as good as core probes to scan sites, unless you need the last (smallest) radius.

With good skills and mods, you almost never need core probes in lowsec.

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Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-01 06:09:57 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
This sparks a 3 year old question for me that needs revising. Can we scan down AFK cloakers yet`?

Feels like we should have been able shortly after some Eve beta testers discovered cloaking.

Beta didn't have cloaking.

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JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#14 - 2013-03-01 15:03:17 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Just because you cannot see a ship on your directional scan does not mean he is cloaked.


Context made it understood that the pilots were within d-scan range of one another.

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Agykoo Mishi
Orion Ore International II
#15 - 2013-03-01 16:01:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Agykoo Mishi
Rezig Huruta wrote:

True. However, the OP said:

no probes for a while. went back to the same cluster area I was in before. saw a single combat probe. then 2 scans latter they where all back again. I repeated what I did with the back and forth, each time they followed me.

Sounds like someone wasn't cloaked 100% of the time, unless that is SHEER LUCK in dropping probes around the OP as he bounced around the system.


cov ops cloak stays on the whole time from the moment i enter system, to when i jump out, dont even have any thign else on the ship as i am just flying around looking around marking standings. wouldent have even moved around if i knew i was not able to be probed down when cloaked.

it may well have been sheer luck, as most of the plaents/belts where around one area, with a single one way off.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#16 - 2013-03-01 16:47:01 UTC
Sounds like someone was scanning for gravimetric and ladar sites to harvest with the venture and was only worried by your presence in the system and tried to see what were you doing.

Anyway in cov ops frigates you're always safe, can be caugth only if you do some mistake. And since you are in cov ops why don't probe too instead of only praticing d-scan. Is fun and very usefull to pratice, for many reasons :)

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#17 - 2013-03-06 10:36:26 UTC
While it's perfectly possible to find sites with combat probes, it doesn't come recommended. Even if they weren't hunting you to kill you in sight, at least they were looking for other people in the system. For example, one could use combat probes to scan out a gate outside of normal d-scan range. I find it best to still assume those probes are looking for me, as I'm quite fond of using them myself and have gotten a few memorable kills using combat probes.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#18 - 2013-03-06 19:38:08 UTC
Detecting stealth nerf afk-cloaking thread, or I'm just way to tired to be reading this properly Straight

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