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EVE without overview?
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Lupus Borealis
The Lupus Borealis
#1 - 2013-02-27 23:23:51 UTC
They always say how harsh and hard EVE is, but in reality...it's very simple and easy.

What you need to do is just click stuff on overview and press couple buttons. Fly drake and you need to remember one button.

Now what if the overview would get removed?

You could still have icons in spherical vision to point you to celestials etc.

Where do we really need the overview? To make things really, really easy?

Fleet warp, ctrl click target, F1. That's EVE online. What's the hard part?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2013-02-27 23:34:52 UTC
Remove the overview, remove local, corp, alliance, constellation and any chats, remove all brackets, remove warp to 0-100km, remove concord, and remove jumpgates. Yep this game...would be....EPIC (and dead).

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-02-27 23:36:08 UTC
it's your game, unselect all.

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Whitehound
#4 - 2013-02-27 23:36:52 UTC
Lupus Borealis wrote:
What's the hard part?

You need the overview to manage information and thereby to have more information than you possibly would want to have in three dimensions.

The overview allows you to have multiple views (tabs), to filter out information and to sort information in a flat, linear way, which makes it easier in many cases to keep an overview of a fight. The overview allows you to sort targets by distance and independent from any current viewing direction. It allows to sort targets by size and type, etc.. It is its ability to sort and to filter which makes it useful, because it lets one reduces the available information fast and down to what is essential to know in any given situation.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#5 - 2013-02-27 23:38:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
CCP wants to make doing stuff easy. They want to make deciding what to do hard.

Edit: Consider the games of Go, or Chess. You got complete knowledge of the rules and where all the pieces are. In both a move is quite easy to do. Yet both are considered very difficult games.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-02-27 23:45:26 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP wants to make doing stuff easy. They want to make deciding what to do hard.

Edit: Consider the games of Go, or Chess. You got complete knowledge of the rules and where all the pieces are. In both a move is quite easy to do. Yet both are considered very difficult games.

NO MOVING A CERTAIN DIRECTION IN SPACE SHOULD BE HARD AND ACTIVATING YOUR WEAPONS SHOULD REQUIRE YOU TO SOLVE EXACTLY A PARTIAL DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION IN FIVE VARIABLES, EVE IS NOT WOW.

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Lupus Borealis
The Lupus Borealis
#7 - 2013-03-01 11:54:13 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
EVE IS NOT WOW.
You know, that reference is getting little old and lame...
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#8 - 2013-03-01 12:06:22 UTC
James there is no reason to yell. Its just a discussion about the overview.

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monkfish2345
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-01 12:12:53 UTC
I'd love to see how fleets would focus fire without the overview to assist. it's pretty painful watching peoples inability to all shoot at what they are told to as it is.

"primary is X.".. 8 other ships take damage.
Nihi Lismus
A Lone Wolf Inc.
#10 - 2013-03-01 12:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nihi Lismus
Lupus Borealis wrote:
They always say how harsh and hard EVE is, but in reality...it's very simple and easy.

What you need to do is just click stuff on overview and press couple buttons. Fly drake and you need to remember one button.

Now what if the overview would get removed?

You could still have icons in spherical vision to point you to celestials etc.

Where do we really need the overview? To make things really, really easy?

Fleet warp, ctrl click target, F1. That's EVE online. What's the hard part?


The hard part is, to figure out, how a single frigate can destroy a solo-BS
The hard part is, to work out a production line, which will you pay money
The hard part is - at least for you it seems - to fight with guns
The hard part is, to figure out, why your post is stupid

There's nothing hard, about being a F1-Drone in a Drake-Army.


Just tell me, how you gonna find a called target in a 200-man-fleet, when it's called

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handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#11 - 2013-03-01 12:16:33 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP wants to make doing stuff easy. They want to make deciding what to do hard.

Edit: Consider the games of Go, or Chess. You got complete knowledge of the rules and where all the pieces are. In both a move is quite easy to do. Yet both are considered very difficult games.

NO MOVING A CERTAIN DIRECTION IN SPACE SHOULD BE HARD AND ACTIVATING YOUR WEAPONS SHOULD REQUIRE YOU TO SOLVE EXACTLY A PARTIAL DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION IN FIVE VARIABLES, EVE IS NOT WOW.


I agree, eve needs more launchcodes to fire weapons systems and less cockpit view.

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Spurty
#12 - 2013-03-01 12:18:18 UTC
Actually, that's what target callers and Broadcasts are for.

Shoot X (broadcast). Blam
Shoot Y (broadcast). Blam
Shoot Z (broadcast). Blam

Above is what an FC needs to have happen.

Overview just means that your fleet members that whore on kill mails lock up everybody and start one gunning them.

Totally poor discipline.

However, works if you bring enough people so don't expect any pressure for this to be changed in our life times :-)

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-01 12:23:21 UTC
Getting to the moon is easy,

All you have to do is take off in a space ship, fly to the moon and land.
Levome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
#14 - 2013-03-01 12:23:55 UTC
Haha.. OP makes no sense... how will you target people if you got no overview? You can't even see small spaceships in space unless they're only a few hundred meters away from you, and even then it's sometimes very hard to click or see them if you're in a larger ship.

If this were a twitch-based or action-based game (by which I mean manual shooting/flying), then your suggestion might make some sense. But in the context of EVE online it's just not possible....
Levome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
#15 - 2013-03-01 12:25:34 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
James there is no reason to yell. Its just a discussion about the overview.


He was obviously being sarcastic though?
Cavalira
Habemus
#16 - 2013-03-01 13:09:56 UTC
Frigate pvp will be the bomb. Good luck targeting a taranis coming towards you.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-01 13:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP wants to make doing stuff easy. They want to make deciding what to do hard.

Edit: Consider the games of Go, or Chess. You got complete knowledge of the rules and where all the pieces are. In both a move is quite easy to do. Yet both are considered very difficult games.

NO MOVING A CERTAIN DIRECTION IN SPACE SHOULD BE HARD AND ACTIVATING YOUR WEAPONS SHOULD REQUIRE YOU TO SOLVE EXACTLY A PARTIAL DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION IN FIVE VARIABLES, EVE IS NOT WOW.


WHILE WE'RE AT IT CAN WE PLEASE GET RID OF LEARNING SKILLS FROM BOOKS AND IMPLANTS? I THINK ITS ABOUT TIME WE MANUALLY LEARNED ALL THE SKILLS OUR PILOTS HAVE TO KNOW. THIS ISN'T WOW. WE SHOULD HAVE TO ATTEND FLIGHT SCHOOL AND WEAPONRY COURSES AND LEARN ABOUT HOW TO WORK HEAVY MACHINERY.

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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#18 - 2013-03-01 13:24:03 UTC
OP,

We make EvE cold and harsh not interfaces and mechanics.

Your failure to understand that is failure at EvE.

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Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#19 - 2013-03-01 13:25:30 UTC
monkfish2345 wrote:
I'd love to see how fleets would focus fire without the overview to assist. it's pretty painful watching peoples inability to all shoot at what they are told to as it is.

"primary is X.".. 8 other ships take damage.


lol

not to mention the "J-word" or the customary "Did someone say jump?" and countless lemmings ...