Crime & Punishment

Hey guys

I was wondering what kind of experiences have you guys had in the past with extorting corps/alliances with war decs, infiltration, mischief or whatever, mainly about how easily were you able to make your victims buckle under pressure and just pay up ?

Currently my main method of operation is sending in multiple spies inside a big enough corp or alliance and staying there for a few months with new spy accounts training on the side waiting to be used in new ops. Then I'll just use whatever method I can to grief them when I find their main income source and try to disrupt it until they give up and pay me to have my spies leave and make any possible war decs end.

Usually I've only had moderate success and it's been mostly for just gaining experience doing it, I'm finding that most corps would rather just take the punishment and continuous paranoia than pay up. Usually they either pay me up right away or just turtle up until you go away after a few weeks.

Also in my latest one I ran an investment scam inside the corp for the first time as I was making a trading char anyways so skilling those trade skills fit the back story of an aspiring jita trader and ended up netting a nice 42B in investments after being in the corp for a month. Now I'm trying to make the alliance pay me to make the 7 merc corps go away that I hired (with their own money ), but they don't seem to be too keen to pay.

In Short: How long did it take you to make a corp/alliance crack and pay you ?

The problem is that if I pay you, what is to stop you from continuing the harassment? Your actions have already proven you are not trust worthy.

Additionally, even if you do keep your word, if we pay you, we basically announce to eve that we can be harassed for profit, inviting similar griefers to attempt similar actions.

Finally, if the alliance in question turtles up, spins ships, puts in long training skills, and soends time outside of game, they make no isk, but lose no isk. Whereas, you are squandering profits paying for merc devs that are accomplishing very little. So in this case, you are actually losing money and wasting playtime you coukd be spending going after another corp, while they just lose playtime, meaning they come out ahead here.

So my suggestion... Move on. You've milked the alliance for what is worth, find new victims. Maybe leave one spy behind that is unknown so you can try again when their guard is down, but generally find a new fish.


Think about it this way, you earned 42b. While you harass the alliance, you are missing time you coukd be spending getting that next 42b.

Specifically this. One should always honor ransoms, some corps don't and that just ruins it for the rest of us. If you want to ransom people you should always honor your ransoms everything else would be idiotic.

Just for the fun of it, i know a corp Molestation Nation that just did a trick like you're refeering to.

Long, but I think C+P will like this.

Not really a story of extortion per say, but I have a unique story of nerdrage through newbie corp war deccing
and it's aftermath you guys (and I personally) will find to be hilarious.

About two days into the game, I was aproached to join a newbie corp by the name of TMRP - Transit, Mining,
Refining, and Production. It was one of those catch all newbie (PvP/everything) corps I see all the time on
corp recruitment page in game that I still look at from time to time even though I am happy with where I am now
on the fringes of low sec.

When I joined, we were at war with the infamous Cannibal Kane. Pretty lopsided affair, too. The CEO eventually
paid Kane out of the corp wallet and Kane relented to go after other targets. I never was on the recieving end
of any wrath. Even as a new player, I made sure to watch local and put any WT on watch list. I also tried
to mine or whatever away from the rest of the sheep and had the services of a level 2 locator agent to give
me some small measure of warning if something was going to be up while others griped and bellyached.

Now, what happened in the weeks that followed was a comedy of errors and a lesson on why you should never
take a video game seriously and always have a light heart about things.

The CEO of that corp was an old school "multi game clan" builder aspirant. He even named his character after
an upcoming game stating he was going to build a core here and then try to move the folks into his mult-gaming
"clan" on a certain upcoming so-called Eve competitor. He eventually ended up getting in contact with a C3 worhole
corporation called the Requiem Liberators. RL had a good set up in a wormhole but was a bit shy on active
members at the time and was willing to do what it took to get an allied corp into thier wormhole and offered
assistance to our newbie corp including a donated POS and some logistics help.

Now, I did reading up into wormholes on Eve University's excellent (if not outdated in parts) wiki. There was
NO WAY in hades I was going to step foot in that place. I sensed a cascade failure. Why? Well, I found out
in order to be even somewhat useful (read: have fun) I would need scanning skills, BC or better AND the
skills to actually be effective in that ship, at least salvage 4, or gas mining/ retriever. Yeah, with
the space of time I could have maybe gotten one of those things, but I felt my play experience would be
better if I waited. So, I bided my time building cash to be able to eventually replace ships and learn
more about Eve all the while the corp pushed as many newbies as possible to go to the wormhole.

Well... turned out my gut instinct was right. While Requiem did provide the POS, the fuel was on us. Our
CEO in a brainstorm decided to haul all the fuel in a T1 industrial through a static high sec. It was a
disaster. T3 ships decended on the poor target destroying all the fuel. Nevermind he did not tell some
of the corp members he was going to do that. Nevermind even if the corp members who could escort him
probably were barely in a BC.

Worse, even after he bummed some fuel off the allied corp, some of the new guys about as many skill points
as myself were finding out what I was saying. They were utterly useless out there. Only the CEO had at least
the skills/ship to handle the sleepers. Some could salvage, some could mine if a site happened to appear,
but for the most part, not being able to do anything bored them to tears.

All the time, the wormhole POS hungered for fuel. Yet another badger blew up and some folks ended up losing
what for a new player were expensive ships either to failed sleeper farming or ninja lokis. Some newbies
left back for empire for smarter money until such time they could skill up. A select few stayed with the CEO.

But - the last badger full of exploded fuel was the last straw! I a fitful rage one morning, the CEO liquidated
all corp and personal assets including probably a plex or two. He then spent all 1 bill or more to bounty
all the Requiem Liberators and war decced them!! His reasoning was that RL was "not protecting" the corp and
that Eve was nothing but douches and he was quitting. Of course, no mention of his own misteps or misjudgement
into what the corp was capable of or admissions of bad decisions.

Worse, is he had been bad mouthing folks like Kane in chat for weeks leading up to this. This would not
be pretty. RL, while a small corp had folks with millions of skillpoints and very seasoned veterans of
null sec and low sec amongst them. All those in wormhole would be cut off trapped in a POS that would run
out of fuel any day along with the majority of the remaining corp assets. Kane declared war again popping
more of the newbies in high sec while RL camped the hapless folks in the POS.

A new CEO took over after a careful negotiation with the crazed former CEO who screwed over his corp over
exploded pixels. A peace was negotiated. Some of the corp went on to form a small buddies corp I do not
think is very active. One or two went to Eve University. I personally joined faction war and moved to
low sec.

Point is... sometimes the "extortion and destruction" does not have to happen by the pirate himself. BUT -
the pirate can add tension that can escalate failure that already exists within bad institutions. Sometimes,
like our epic nerd rage former CEO and Eve player can cause more damage out of accumulated rage and
frustration than ANY of the pirates on C+P could ever hope for.

Thank you for the fun and making me leave a boring nowhere corp for maybe not the best corp, but one that does
cool things like get blown up and blow up ships in low sec. If the group was still around, I would probably
be mining in high sec and quit.

thank you.