EVE General Discussion

Okay I have been an Eve player on and off for some time now. Real life hass taken up a great deal of time for me. Due to the lack of time and lack of good in-game contacts I have not ventured too far into low Sec, Null sec, or WH space. But I have fun with what I do. My main source of income is mining and mission running with a small ammount of exploration. Again I have a good time with Eve. That is until today.

I have herd about "Bot Miners" from other players over the years, and never really knew how to recognize one to be honest. Recently this changed. I noticed some 'players' who were all in the same 4 person Corp logging in and, each, going out to different asteroid belts. Where they would do a little mining and then go to another belt, do some mining there and go to another belt, then dock up. Undock....and well starting over. However, they were running the same route each time. No defensive measures were made agains the random NPC "belt rats" that would show up. This sparked several hours worth of attempts were made to get some sort of a response out of each of these 'players', but nothing. This turned into several days worth of efforts to get any sort of response out of ANY of the Corp members, again this achieved nothing. These 'players' routinely went from location to location mining. Over and over and over, for hours, never staying in one belt for too long. But going to the same belts each time. So the War was initiated.

So now I joind my friends Corp. I thought this might be interesting, never done this before. The War starts! A Mackinaw, and 2 Retrievers were popped, along with 2 pods. There was NO attempt what so ever made to defend themselves untill the 4 ship was attacked, and it managed to run away. Now considering 4 seperate asteroid belts had to be gone to, in order to find..... approach.... and attack each one of the targets. Each pilot logged out shortly after this. Within a couple minuets each of the pilot logged back in, and logged back out. This happened several times.

Then I get a eve-mail from CONCORD. It announces that the war is over, they surrendered. The War lasted like an hour!!! How dose the war last an hour??!! I thought for 50mil it was suppose to last a week. Unless one side surrendered and paied an agreed ammount or that it was agreed to call it off. +(which did not happen)+ Even then there is a 24h time peroid until the fighting stops. Apparently this is not the case.
I do not think that if a Corp is IN, or Pending a wardeck it should be allowed to just "Close", so that ALL of the members are placed into a default NPC Corp. At least untill the War is over. Because this maks them safe and sound to continue on about thier merry way.

Now the only way I can see the War only lasting 1h is that the 'bot controler' happened to noticed the pending wardec, and closed the Corp about 1h after getting it. Then ended up with some losses due to poor time management, bad composit risk management skills, or just did not care if there were any losses. Especially if the profit margin was high enough to not be a n issue. However, I beieve that this is an exploit of the Wardec mechanics and needs to be fixed. As this has allowed this person controling these 'players' to continue to rake in loads of ISk.

Further more I know that Bot Reports have been filed on all 4 of these 'players', but nothing has been done as of yet. But they are all now in Default NPC Corps back out Bot mining away, even as I type this, with no way to stop them.

So, with some of the more recent changes made to the game. Like the removal of the meta 0 items and the changes in the dron loot drop. That were done to help fix the game market. Why has what appears to be very little been done about this?

Does one need a permit to stalk miners or is this yet unregulated?

1- check the warp ins, once you find the warp in, stand on it and sort belts type and distance to see what he will mine next

2- exhaust one of the next roids to the point one cycle is left in it.

3- watch the bot mine it in one cycle, but remain in belt doing nothing for minutes.

4- ?????

5- disregard possible profit from ganking the bot, and recognize that doing the gank would legitimize the botting activity by not attacking the source of it, but instead fulfilling the role of the statistically predicted ganker, on the cost/benefit equation the botter already calculated before beginning his operations. and instead, report him providing full details on your observations. break the cycle.

didn't ccp mention something about their vision of wardecs and hi-sec corporations, was that the war should be mutual.

I'm not sure we are playing the same game, eve online is supposedly taking place in a cold and harsh universe, it should be possible to wardec player run corporations.

that was a point of discussion in the csm minutes. i don't think it's an actual thing.

If an alliance costs 1bill to form, shouldn't a corp cost "something" as well?

Should be relatively more painful to close a corp and start a new one than to survive through a wardec.

Meh, the entire Corp/Alliance and standings of Blues/Reds/Greys needs some loving.

Way too cheap (0 ISK) to move things around.

i think i costs 1-2M to form a corporation.

Sounds more like an anti-social guy with a routine rather than a botter if he reacted that quickly after facing a real threat... I mean, rats are weak enough where yeah, a high end miner can just shrug them off, so them not defending themselves isn't actually all that surprising. Could be a botter who kept nearby his computer though, but I wouldn't jump to this assumption unless the time between his warps was pretty even.

TL;DR: A bot isn't just someone with a routine and doesn't respond to you.

Although yeah, really should get a wardec refund in this situation.

Wow, first time I've ever seen someone miss their own point.