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What is the community's opinion on permanent wardecs?

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Tark en Chalune
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-03-12 05:46:30 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.

Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...


OP has graduated from Eve-Uni in the best way ... by getting expelled and hired by a nullsec corp.

Congrats to the OP.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#62 - 2013-03-13 04:47:47 UTC
EVE Uni organise highsec incursion fleets, correct? With tech 1 ships where every ship matters?

Wouldn't it be tragic if some despicable pirates warped into a site they were clearing and suicide ECM'ed their logistics or ECM bursted the fleet?

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Das Aivo
Chemical Redox
#63 - 2013-03-13 05:12:35 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
The OP clearly failed our "Trolling 101" and "Alt Usage 101" classes.

Keep paying it Zeus. You need more ISK in that wallet? You only have enough for another 40 weeks...

After seeing this horrible post of yours, it would bring me great satisfaction to put you on my future wardec/grief list.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-03-13 07:50:48 UTC
If the wardec is mutual like it is in Red Vs Blue, then it's a good thing. When you have a large corp/alliance/coalition in a permanent wardec against a smaller entity is not good. Nor is having hardened PvP'ers in a permanent wardec against non PvP'ers.

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2013-03-13 07:59:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
EVE Uni organise highsec incursion fleets, correct? With tech 1 ships where every ship matters?

Wouldn't it be tragic if some despicable pirates warped into a site they were clearing and suicide ECM'ed their logistics or ECM bursted the fleet?


WHORES IN SPACE alliance has been camping the routes that the uni takes between incursion sites. The uni will travel fit with warp core stabs and use out of corp scouts to move. The aggressors will use out of corp scouts to spot the ships, and setup log-off traps with hictors and tackle using infinite points.

The uni incursion fleet will always take out any npc ship with a warp-scrambler first to maximize their chances of warping out in-case something goes wrong.

Nowadays you can spot directors and carebear loving CSM candidates in the fleet. The fleet itself is mixed up with battlecruisers, t2 logi, battleships, and shiny pirate battleships. Their setups usually result in sniper shortages.

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ShipToaster
#66 - 2013-03-13 12:54:37 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
EVE Uni organise highsec incursion fleets, correct? With tech 1 ships where every ship matters?

Wouldn't it be tragic if some despicable pirates warped into a site they were clearing and suicide ECM'ed their logistics or ECM bursted the fleet?


WHORES IN SPACE alliance has been camping the routes that the uni takes between incursion sites. The uni will travel fit with warp core stabs and use out of corp scouts to move. The aggressors will use out of corp scouts to spot the ships, and setup log-off traps with hictors and tackle using infinite points.

The uni incursion fleet will always take out any npc ship with a warp-scrambler first to maximize their chances of warping out in-case something goes wrong.

Nowadays you can spot directors and carebear loving CSM candidates in the fleet. The fleet itself is mixed up with battlecruisers, t2 logi, battleships, and shiny pirate battleships. Their setups usually result in sniper shortages.


For general mischief you should be focusing more on the mixed combination of war targets from eve university and the logistic pilots in their fleets who are not in eve university who will get a suspect flag if they rep eve university pilots who have a PvP flag with a war target flag.

Fly in one suicide dessie or frig to fire a shot at all eve university pilots in an incursion site and logistics who are not in eve university cannot rep them without going suspect. If logistics do rep and go suspect then fly in a couple of bb's to jam or neut their logistics as they can then be attacked freely. Watch the pretty and expensive explosions as sansha do their stuff. Half a dozen dessies should be able to kill logistics that are suspect to round it off.

Doing this in an assault site should be even better.

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Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-03-13 16:22:37 UTC
I live in null. If someone war decs us I wouldn't even notice. I don't think permanent war decs are a problem. People just need to HTFU.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#68 - 2013-03-13 19:00:01 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
non PvP'ers.

That is not a thing that exists in this game.
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#69 - 2013-03-13 21:34:26 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
I live in null. If someone war decs us I wouldn't even notice. I don't think permanent war decs are a problem. People just need to HTFU.


Many null sec corps have said this before....

Then they lost their Jump Freighters....

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Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-03-14 10:51:31 UTC
Zeus Maximo wrote:
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
I live in null. If someone war decs us I wouldn't even notice. I don't think permanent war decs are a problem. People just need to HTFU.


Many null sec corps have said this before....

Then they lost their Jump Freighters....

I don't fly a jump freighter. And at any rate, my corp spends 90% of our time in PvP. I doubt finding someone to guard our freighter runs would be a problem.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-03-14 11:57:14 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Zeus Maximo wrote:
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
I live in null. If someone war decs us I wouldn't even notice. I don't think permanent war decs are a problem. People just need to HTFU.


Many null sec corps have said this before....

Then they lost their Jump Freighters....

I don't fly a jump freighter. And at any rate, my corp spends 90% of our time in PvP. I doubt finding someone to guard our freighter runs would be a problem.


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Zedrik Cayne
Standards and Practices
#72 - 2013-03-14 12:31:05 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
I'm in so much trouble, it couldn't get any worse. Lol

We actually believe that our rules and WSOPs will save us by discouraging war-decs. - It's a don't feed the trolls strategy, we're hoping that folks will get bored and go away.

It's carebear thinking...


Thing is, it can work. If you are boring enough, it is unprofitable and boring for the wardeccers.

And you have to be very...very...*VERY* boring. If your wardeccer gets any kills, or comments in local, at all...You are being entertaining.

Since the university is obviously not being boring and providing entertainment. They will continue to get pummelled.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
GreenSeed
#73 - 2013-03-14 12:40:58 UTC
wardecs are fine.


oh wait this isn't what this thread is about.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#74 - 2013-03-17 06:33:27 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
wardecs are fine.


oh wait this isn't what this thread is about.



Amyclas Amatin wrote:
I'm just interested in the politics of the nerf-wardecs debate.


It all started so innocently. Those were my last words before Kelduum got mad and perma-banned me from the uni.
Now, look how far we've come.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#75 - 2013-03-17 13:11:12 UTC
Zedrik Cayne wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
I'm in so much trouble, it couldn't get any worse. Lol

We actually believe that our rules and WSOPs will save us by discouraging war-decs. - It's a don't feed the trolls strategy, we're hoping that folks will get bored and go away.

It's carebear thinking...


Thing is, it can work. If you are boring enough, it is unprofitable and boring for the wardeccers.

And you have to be very...very...*VERY* boring. If your wardeccer gets any kills, or comments in local, at all...You are being entertaining.

Since the university is obviously not being boring and providing entertainment. They will continue to get pummelled.


That strategy definitely can work for smaller alliances with a good level of discipline, but it has never worked for EVE Uni. The Uni is just too big and too noob heavy for it. There will always be people who just ignore the rules or feel that the rules don't apply to them for some reason. People will still undock in stupid ships and do stupid things, feeding juicy kills to the war targets. Even in the old days when the war SOP was actually enforced this was the case.

The directors used to spend all their gametime during wars running around chasing members flying exhumers, haulers and the like, and blowing them up before the war targets could get the chance. The offending members would also be banned for disregarding the SOP, but even so, there was no way to stop the foolish war losses. Managing a noob-friendly corp is like herding cats at the best of times.

Also, for high profile corps like the Uni, even if they do everything with a perfect level of discipline, there will always be corps with enough isk that maintaining a wardec indefinitely is no issue. Sure, they can stay locked down and bore you for a week, maybe, but sooner or later they are going to have to undock and do things in space, or their whole organization would become irrelevant.

Also, in a related note, Kelduum Revaan just quit as CEO of E-Uni. It will be interesting to see how things change.

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LoJ4X
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2013-04-03 14:12:32 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I like how members of e-uni are literally forbidden from talking publicly about e-uni in any way, and that only "authorized persons" may post on the forums.

E-uni is the most oppressive, propaganda-ridden, bureaucratic shitheap of an organization I've ever seen in a gaming community.



Eve-uni teaches you Nazism, fascism and how to follow it and to bend over and cower and make them ISKSZZZzzr.


Have fun with that
LoJ4X
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-04-03 14:14:16 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
That would require their collective balls to be found in order to gank me.


I should have clarified. Heaven forbid anyone in EVE-Uni say anything bad against him. Not voting is criminal. Not agreeing with your leadership is downright traitorous!



Much like this:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread937379/pg1

Quote:
Law enforcement intelligence-processing fusion centers have long come under attack for spying on Americans. The Arkansas director wanted to clarify the truth: centers only spies on some Americans – those who appear to be a threat to the government...

...After claiming that his office ‘absolutely’ does not spy on Americans, he proceeded to explain that this does not apply to those who could be interpreted as a ‘threat’ to national security. Davis said his office places its focus on international plots, “domestic terrorism and certain groups that are anti-government. We want to kind of take a look at that and receive that information.”

But the First Amendment allows for the freedom of speech and opinion, making it lawfully acceptable for Americans to express their grievances against the US government....
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-04-03 17:02:51 UTC
War deccing is a mechanic of the game. Is it flawed in some way or another... sure

Perma Deccing should be left alone as there are ways to counter it... requires non-carebear thinking.

Just because they have the word University in the name makes no difference and the students will eventually have to learn what a war dec is...

Teach about watching local, not doing stupid ****, forming your own militia and going after the deccers $$$... list goes on. It's only active as long as the bill gets paid... remove the isk and the the dec goes away.
Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-04-03 17:16:39 UTC
Wardecks should rise in cost after a while.. Permadecks should in my opinion only be viable if the corporations go mutual on the deck..
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#80 - 2013-04-03 21:49:00 UTC
Athena Maldoran wrote:
Wardecks should rise in cost after a while.. Permadecks should in my opinion only be viable if the corporations go mutual on the deck..

Two questions:

1) Why should war declarations be like that?
2) Have you ever declared a war?

My guess as to your answers would be "Because I don't like having wars declared on me" and "No".