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What do you need to run multiple clients?

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Donald MacRury
LankTech
#21 - 2013-02-26 16:00:46 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
Donald MacRury wrote:
Vas must be talking about me, my computer runs terrible after 3 or 4 clients are running. My cpu is an intel i5-3570 running at 3.4 ghz. I also have 16GB of memory , and a 2TB hard drive if that even matters. The motherboard in this thing is a ASRock Z77 Pro4.

I know that I am short on the video side though with only a 1GB nVidia video card.

Oh and Hi Vas Smile

From the numbers it doesn't look too bad. Hard drive size doesn't matter, only the speed of the HDD and if it has enough free space.

What nVidia card is that?

Instead of getting a new graphic card, you could probably also reduce the resolution of the clients or disable some hungry features like anti-aliasing etc.



Its a GeForce GT 430
ashley Eoner
#22 - 2013-02-26 16:02:51 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
My crappy five-year old multi-upgraded-still-obsolescent box will do just fine. I'm frankly more bandwidth challenged than CPU challenged.
Yeah my OCed 15 dollar e4400(oced 1066 FSB) system with gma x4500 integrated graphics and 4 GB of ram can run two clients well on low settings. Tossed a 15 doller 6450 graphics card in there and it runs multiple clients easily.. This game has a low requirement outside of stuff like shader 3.0
Josef Djugashvilis
#23 - 2013-02-26 16:03:24 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
My crappy five-year old multi-upgraded-still-obsolescent box will do just fine. I'm frankly more bandwidth challenged than CPU challenged.


I too, am bandwidth challenged.

Perhaps I should have paid more attention in school.

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Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-02-26 16:05:39 UTC
Vas Vadum wrote:

One more question, I heard about specialized clients that basically remove all graphics so a person can run 20+ clients without issues. Is this even allowed? My best guess is it's not.

EDIT



Modifying the client is not allowed and there is no public client from CCP that does this.

CCP however, has the possibility to do that: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=779
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-02-26 16:11:50 UTC
Donald MacRury wrote:

Its a GeForce GT 430

Ok, it's a bit outdated and never was a high end card. If you want better performance, you'd have to switch to a newer card with more RAM - or downgrade the graphic settings.
Owena Owoked
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
#26 - 2013-02-26 16:13:03 UTC
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#27 - 2013-02-26 16:13:10 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:

One more question, I heard about specialized clients that basically remove all graphics so a person can run 20+ clients without issues. Is this even allowed? My best guess is it's not.

EDIT



Modifying the client is not allowed and there is no public client from CCP that does this.

CCP however, has the possibility to do that: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=779

You can, however, dial back your graphics settings, reducing the demand on your system.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#28 - 2013-02-26 16:15:20 UTC
Owena Owoked
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
#29 - 2013-02-26 16:25:27 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:

One more question, I heard about specialized clients that basically remove all graphics so a person can run 20+ clients without issues. Is this even allowed? My best guess is it's not.

EDIT



Modifying the client is not allowed and there is no public client from CCP that does this.

CCP however, has the possibility to do that: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=779

You can, however, dial back your graphics settings, reducing the demand on your system.

Reading that again brought up a point that I haven't thought about in years. When is CCP going to let drone boats deploy more than 5 drones again? This is something that should seriously be on the table now that the server architecture is so much more powerful. Keep the bandwidth the same, just allow them to have more active drones.
Vas Vadum
Draconian Empire
#30 - 2013-02-26 16:25:57 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:
I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.


And this is how my £600 custom built PC craps all over a friends £2000 custom build.
OCD can be a good thing :)

Also, I said timings not frequency.


Then I dunno how to find the frequency as I've never even needed to look before. I doubt it's anything listed on boxes most of the times. Nor is it ever mentioned in game requirements. >.>


Yes and no.
I could rewrite what others have said but egh...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Understanding-RAM-Timings/26

If the memory timings match the board and the board timings match the processor and gfx card everything runs a lot smoother\quicker.

On top of that if you have decent cooling and air flow, things run better still.

This is also why some manufactures who product "cheap" "fast" computers run way slower than you would expect from hardware that claims to be the speed it is.

It's not that they're lying, it's that it's poorly put together.

It's also why "ALL THE EXPENSIVE THINGS!!!!" is a bad way to put together a PC.

Also.... "gaming laptops" HA! but that's more to do with me being set in my ways than me actually thinking a gaming laptop is bad tbh.


Well so far my laptop has had 0 issues playing anything I want it to. Aside from cooking my right hand at almost all times and the lack of a way to cool the system better.
Owena Owoked
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
#31 - 2013-02-26 16:29:03 UTC
Vas Vadum wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:
I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.


And this is how my £600 custom built PC craps all over a friends £2000 custom build.
OCD can be a good thing :)

Also, I said timings not frequency.


Then I dunno how to find the frequency as I've never even needed to look before. I doubt it's anything listed on boxes most of the times. Nor is it ever mentioned in game requirements. >.>


Yes and no.
I could rewrite what others have said but egh...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Understanding-RAM-Timings/26

If the memory timings match the board and the board timings match the processor and gfx card everything runs a lot smoother\quicker.

On top of that if you have decent cooling and air flow, things run better still.

This is also why some manufactures who product "cheap" "fast" computers run way slower than you would expect from hardware that claims to be the speed it is.

It's not that they're lying, it's that it's poorly put together.

It's also why "ALL THE EXPENSIVE THINGS!!!!" is a bad way to put together a PC.

Also.... "gaming laptops" HA! but that's more to do with me being set in my ways than me actually thinking a gaming laptop is bad tbh.


Well so far my laptop has had 0 issues playing anything I want it to. Aside from cooking my right hand at almost all times and the lack of a way to cool the system better.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834997730
Fonac
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-02-26 16:29:09 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Vas Vadum wrote:
I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.


And this is how my £600 custom built PC craps all over a friends £2000 custom build.
OCD can be a good thing :)

Also, I said timings not frequency.


Then I dunno how to find the frequency as I've never even needed to look before. I doubt it's anything listed on boxes most of the times. Nor is it ever mentioned in game requirements. >.>


Yes and no.
I could rewrite what others have said but egh...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Understanding-RAM-Timings/26

If the memory timings match the board and the board timings match the processor and gfx card everything runs a lot smoother\quicker.

On top of that if you have decent cooling and air flow, things run better still.

This is also why some manufactures who product "cheap" "fast" computers run way slower than you would expect from hardware that claims to be the speed it is.

It's not that they're lying, it's that it's poorly put together.

It's also why "ALL THE EXPENSIVE THINGS!!!!" is a bad way to put together a PC.

Also.... "gaming laptops" HA! but that's more to do with me being set in my ways than me actually thinking a gaming laptop is bad tbh.




There is some much wrong in this poste, it's unbelievable.

1. First of all, frequencies on RAM timinings, matters very little on the overall performance gain, at most you're looking at 2-5% - Where memory speed matters, this is usually not the case with games.

2. Your friend has either payed to much for his components, or you're straight out telling lies AND / OR basing your observation on an errornous base. (IE faster bootup time, loading times on gameload ect ect.) - Which is mostly a HDD problem.

3. Your claim on temperatur matters, is utterly wrong. A well cooled case, does not mean anything for performance, the only thing it does is prolonge it's service life(which is not a bad thing) - It can also, in extreme cases reduce errors but that is only if you have a damaged component that can't operate at normal temperatuers due to damage(often seen on stuff that has been overclocked)

4. You totally disregard the physical nature of why companies are allowed to sell branded components to retailers. Do you think Nvidia / AMD / Intel, would allow manufactures to produce a cheaper version of their chips? Every manufacture is liscensed to produce their version of xxx graphic card, only if they can hold a certain standard, the only real thing that is different on each brand is the graphic card fan, everything else is more or less the same.

5. Yes expensive is better, there is a certain limit where the increased money cost is no longer worth it, but i very much doubt your 500£ PC outperform his 2000£ machine, unless he has chosen an extremely expensive CPU; and negleted his GFX.
Owena Owoked
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
#33 - 2013-02-26 16:41:19 UTC
Fonac wrote:



There is some much wrong in this poste, it's unbelievable.

1. First of all, frequencies on RAM timinings, matters very little on the overall performance gain, at most you're looking at 2-5% - Where memory speed matters, this is usually not the case with games.

2. Your friend has either payed to much for his components, or you're straight out telling lies AND / OR basing your observation on an errornous base. (IE faster bootup time, loading times on gameload ect ect.) - Which is mostly a HDD problem.

3. Your claim on temperatur matters, is utterly wrong. A well cooled case, does not mean anything for performance, the only thing it does is prolonge it's service life(which is not a bad thing) - It can also, in extreme cases reduce errors but that is only if you have a damaged component that can't operate at normal temperatuers due to damage(often seen on stuff that has been overclocked)

4. You totally disregard the physical nature of why companies are allowed to sell branded components to retailers. Do you think Nvidia / AMD / Intel, would allow manufactures to produce a cheaper version of their chips? Every manufacture is liscensed to produce their version of xxx graphic card, only if they can hold a certain standard, the only real thing that is different on each brand is the graphic card fan, everything else is more or less the same.

5. Yes expensive is better, there is a certain limit where the increased money cost is no longer worth it, but i very much doubt your 500£ PC outperform his 2000£ machine, unless he has chosen an extremely expensive CPU; and negleted his GFX.




I don't believe that. I have used a few different components over the years in my PCs and I have settled on only using EVGA video cards and Gigabyte motherboards. While not always the most expensive, I feel that for the money they are the best value. Also, the only cases I will buy are Thermaltake. So while other companies might be selling the same thing, whether it be nVidia or Intel chipsets, The build quality of some manufacturers is much better than others.
Vas Vadum
Draconian Empire
#34 - 2013-02-26 16:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vas Vadum
Fonac wrote:
There is some much wrong in this poste, it's unbelievable.

1. First of all, frequencies on RAM timinings, matters very little on the overall performance gain, at most you're looking at 2-5% - Where memory speed matters, this is usually not the case with games.

2. Your friend has either payed to much for his components, or you're straight out telling lies AND / OR basing your observation on an errornous base. (IE faster bootup time, loading times on gameload ect ect.) - Which is mostly a HDD problem.

3. Your claim on temperatur matters, is utterly wrong. A well cooled case, does not mean anything for performance, the only thing it does is prolonge it's service life(which is not a bad thing) - It can also, in extreme cases reduce errors but that is only if you have a damaged component that can't operate at normal temperatuers due to damage(often seen on stuff that has been overclocked)

4. You totally disregard the physical nature of why companies are allowed to sell branded components to retailers. Do you think Nvidia / AMD / Intel, would allow manufactures to produce a cheaper version of their chips? Every manufacture is liscensed to produce their version of xxx graphic card, only if they can hold a certain standard, the only real thing that is different on each brand is the graphic card fan, everything else is more or less the same.

5. Yes expensive is better, there is a certain limit where the increased money cost is no longer worth it, but i very much doubt your 500£ PC outperform his 2000£ machine, unless he has chosen an extremely expensive CPU; and negleted his GFX.


Thank you. (Couldn't quote all, quote limit)

Cebraio wrote:
Donald MacRury wrote:

Its a GeForce GT 430

Ok, it's a bit outdated and never was a high end card. If you want better performance, you'd have to switch to a newer card with more RAM - or downgrade the graphic settings.


Listed you in my main post for being the most helpful. Thank you. :P
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#35 - 2013-02-26 17:00:15 UTC
Owena Owoked wrote:

Reading that again brought up a point that I haven't thought about in years. When is CCP going to let drone boats deploy more than 5 drones again? This is something that should seriously be on the table now that the server architecture is so much more powerful. Keep the bandwidth the same, just allow them to have more active drones.

You can deploy more than five right now, with the proper modules. And you can be assigned more beyond that.

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Eve Amada
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2013-02-26 17:03:10 UTC
I have a 6 year old computer, quad core, 2 x 8800GTX, 6 Gig ram.

I can run 6 clients in window mode on four monitors (2 monitors per 8800 GTX).

All clients are on low settings & I have no issues.

I just hate it when I lose connection. :(

or

I put 8800 GTX's in SLI mode & on one 24" monitor, I opened up one Eve client in full screen at 1920x1200.

I can max all the settings & Eve looks great. :)
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-02-26 17:06:03 UTC
Fonac wrote:


There is some much wrong in this poste, it's unbelievable.

1. First of all, frequencies on RAM timinings, matters very little on the overall performance gain, at most you're looking at 2-5% - Where memory speed matters, this is usually not the case with games.

2. Your friend has either payed to much for his components, or you're straight out telling lies AND / OR basing your observation on an errornous base. (IE faster bootup time, loading times on gameload ect ect.) - Which is mostly a HDD problem.

3. Your claim on temperatur matters, is utterly wrong. A well cooled case, does not mean anything for performance, the only thing it does is prolonge it's service life(which is not a bad thing) - It can also, in extreme cases reduce errors but that is only if you have a damaged component that can't operate at normal temperatuers due to damage(often seen on stuff that has been overclocked)

4. You totally disregard the physical nature of why companies are allowed to sell branded components to retailers. Do you think Nvidia / AMD / Intel, would allow manufactures to produce a cheaper version of their chips? Every manufacture is liscensed to produce their version of xxx graphic card, only if they can hold a certain standard, the only real thing that is different on each brand is the graphic card fan, everything else is more or less the same.

5. Yes expensive is better, there is a certain limit where the increased money cost is no longer worth it, but i very much doubt your 500£ PC outperform his 2000£ machine, unless he has chosen an extremely expensive CPU; and negleted his GFX.



1) from personal experience, I disagree

2) All are possible answers, it only became apparent when he was complaining about not being able to play\getting low fps in specific games I was having no issue with (while both having the same settings because my first assumption was his settings were all uber).

3) Cooked components don't sound like a good thing to me. I'd also agree with you that cooling didn't matter if there weren't over the top solutions like water cooling\freon cooling systems out there, although that's more to do with overclocking.

4) If this is the case how come some manufacturers (Fujitsu Siemens for example have always made poor machines in my eyes) machines sport a tech spec but it falls short when compared to other built machines with the same?

It's like you're ignoring the fact that the motherboard actually matters when it comes to the machine build
http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=734&sel_lang=english

5) and from going on that chart (from a 2 second look) I found a ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe for £143 and a ASUS Maximus V Extreme for £267. With the P8Z77-I Deluxe out performing the ASUS Maximus V Extreme in gaming. So that kinda kills the whole "more expensive is better argument". I'm also aware it's only be 5fps.

Each to their own though,
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-26 17:06:38 UTC
Vas Vadum wrote:

Cebraio wrote:
Donald MacRury wrote:

Its a GeForce GT 430

Ok, it's a bit outdated and never was a high end card. If you want better performance, you'd have to switch to a newer card with more RAM - or downgrade the graphic settings.


Listed you in my main post for being the most helpful. Thank you. :P

Well, thanks! Even though I bashed you at first. Peace. Cool
Orlacc
#39 - 2013-02-26 17:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
Cebraio wrote:
I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?



Always funny!


Bottleneck on laptops is always the graphics chip and overheating.

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Notorious Fellon
#40 - 2013-02-26 17:26:49 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?



Always funny!


Bottleneck on laptops is always the graphics chip and overheating.



No, not always. High IOPS on slow disk drives impacts many games as well.

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