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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#41 - 2013-02-27 23:21:05 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

That is the main issue isn't it ?

That is exactly what you have done.

Nobody forced the Caldari to leave when Caldari Prime got occupied by a foreign power. People lived here, the Gallente told them to get along or get out of their homes. Now, people live here, the Caldari (according to you) should tell them to get along or get out of their homes.


You are an absolute moron and you are speaking out of absolute ignorance.

Caldari Prime was being bombarded from space. A sustained orbital bombardment. In case you don't understand what that means, it means it was a long term, orbital destruction of homes, terrain, infrastructure and industry.

Nobody forced us to leave? Educate yourself or be silent.

I should have kept you ignored, it's better for my blood pressure.


It bears no purpose to entertain a fool with attention unless you are entertained.

Katrina Oniseki
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-02-27 23:58:36 UTC
Caldari Prime is just a rock, like many others. What matters is the current population of the planet are citizens of the Federation. The majority are of Gallente ancestry and the minority are of Caldari ancestry that are also loyal to the Federation, who are getting their lives disrupted because people just can't let go of the past.

This pride you have is not enough to make billions of people to pack up and leave and neither are threats to their well being. A shadow may be cast over the planet but freedom will prevail in the end. And agression will be returned in greater force.

That is all.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#43 - 2013-02-28 00:08:24 UTC
^^^

Which is why peace, as of now, is out of our grasp.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2013-02-28 01:35:30 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Caldari Prime is just a rock, like many others. What matters is the current population of the planet are citizens of the Federation. The majority are of Gallente ancestry and the minority are of Caldari ancestry that are also loyal to the Federation, who are getting their lives disrupted because people just can't let go of the past.

This pride you have is not enough to make billions of people to pack up and leave and neither are threats to their well being. A shadow may be cast over the planet but freedom will prevail in the end. And agression will be returned in greater force.

That is all.


It is just a rock to you, it is the rock that forms the foundation of our traditions our culture and our entire way of life to us.

If those living there are so loyal to the Federation then rehouse them elsewhere within that Federation. In point of fact many of the genetically Caldari inhabitants were glad to see the arrival of liberating State forces, because they had been opressed, marginalised and abused for generations.

Let them decide whether to return to the ways of their ancestors or leave to rejoin the Federation you claim they support. After all, if it's really just a rock to you, then I begin to suspect that the only reason you want to keep it is because you want to keep it from us.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2013-02-28 01:38:34 UTC
Tykari wrote:

I'm well aware this conflict spans several worlds over. There is a big warzone out there, one that yes, is considered legal by CONCORD because they couldn't stop it if they wanted to, so they had no choice.

But many among the Caldari have been using Caldari Prime as a justification for the One day war. Because even though you and the State didn't really need it to survive , it was your Homeworld, and you saw it as such a vitally important part of the Caldari identity you could not live without it for one moment longer, that it needed to be reclaimed by force no matter the cost and inevitable consequences right then and there. And of course that the Federation was and is wrong in what they did and are doing.

Now I don't have an issue with that last bit at all, the Federation never should have blockaded and bombarded Caldari Prime.
It was your Homeworld and when it comes down to it, it should be yours.

But considering how well you understand what it is like when someone takes control of your Homeworld away from you, Caldari loyalists had no issues to take control of someone else's when you were given the chance and the State was all to happy to consider it theirs. Now luckily Ishukone stepped in and managed to keep it conflict free and the people relatively safe for as long as they did, I can't say I feel confident that a different Megacorp or the Navy would have been so considerate, so I'm grateful to them for that. But even with counting that saving grace, it makes the State in my eyes not that much better than the Federation in the final analysis.

And yes the only way to end this insanity is to solve the conflict. And either both worlds are governed by a neutral party like CONCORD, which I still don't think either side's ruling bodies would be willing to accept, or both sides actually come to some form agreement they both will honor, which even less likely.


In point of fact, only the presence of the FDU brings me to Intaki as anything other than a tourist and wellwisher. If I had executive power I would immediately cede any claim the State has to the system, save for those rights that emerge from mutually beneficial business deals, so long as there was no FDU presence in-system.

Shame that the FDU, in the person of X Gallentius, doesn't see it the same way.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-02-28 04:19:40 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
Caldari Prime is just a rock, like many others. What matters is the current population of the planet are citizens of the Federation. The majority are of Gallente ancestry and the minority are of Caldari ancestry that are also loyal to the Federation, who are getting their lives disrupted because people just can't let go of the past.

This pride you have is not enough to make billions of people to pack up and leave and neither are threats to their well being. A shadow may be cast over the planet but freedom will prevail in the end. And agression will be returned in greater force.

That is all.


It is just a rock to you, it is the rock that forms the foundation of our traditions our culture and our entire way of life to us.

If those living there are so loyal to the Federation then rehouse them elsewhere within that Federation. In point of fact many of the genetically Caldari inhabitants were glad to see the arrival of liberating State forces, because they had been opressed, marginalised and abused for generations.

Let them decide whether to return to the ways of their ancestors or leave to rejoin the Federation you claim they support. After all, if it's really just a rock to you, then I begin to suspect that the only reason you want to keep it is because you want to keep it from us.


Listen to yourself for a second. Obviously that's never going to happen. I don't even need to explain why. I can understand a little why you would want your homeworld back, however making demands and threats won't get you anywhere especially in current state of affairs between the Federation and the Caldari State.

Your best hope is there's some kind of agreement and Caldari Prime is considered a neutral zone that would allow Caldari State citizens rights to visit and residence (some red tape would be required but that's another story). However that won't happen anytime soon, especially with a Leviathan acting as a bully in orbit.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#47 - 2013-02-28 06:04:08 UTC
Mekhana wrote:


Listen to yourself for a second. Obviously that's never going to happen. I don't even need to explain why.


Humor me then. Why?

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2013-02-28 06:12:28 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
Caldari Prime is just a rock, like many others. What matters is the current population of the planet are citizens of the Federation. The majority are of Gallente ancestry and the minority are of Caldari ancestry that are also loyal to the Federation, who are getting their lives disrupted because people just can't let go of the past.

This pride you have is not enough to make billions of people to pack up and leave and neither are threats to their well being. A shadow may be cast over the planet but freedom will prevail in the end. And agression will be returned in greater force.

That is all.


It is just a rock to you, it is the rock that forms the foundation of our traditions our culture and our entire way of life to us.

If those living there are so loyal to the Federation then rehouse them elsewhere within that Federation. In point of fact many of the genetically Caldari inhabitants were glad to see the arrival of liberating State forces, because they had been opressed, marginalised and abused for generations.

Let them decide whether to return to the ways of their ancestors or leave to rejoin the Federation you claim they support. After all, if it's really just a rock to you, then I begin to suspect that the only reason you want to keep it is because you want to keep it from us.


Listen to yourself for a second. Obviously that's never going to happen. I don't even need to explain why. I can understand a little why you would want your homeworld back, however making demands and threats won't get you anywhere especially in current state of affairs between the Federation and the Caldari State.

Your best hope is there's some kind of agreement and Caldari Prime is considered a neutral zone that would allow Caldari State citizens rights to visit and residence (some red tape would be required but that's another story). However that won't happen anytime soon, especially with a Leviathan acting as a bully in orbit.


It seems to me that only those active in the State Protectorate currently have any problems accessing Caldari Prime, as things stand. Unless you can offer us something better than the situation we're currently in, then the taskforce and the Leviathan will just have to stay.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-02-28 09:07:38 UTC
Then nothing is going to change.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#50 - 2013-02-28 18:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Free political prisoners in Federation ... Free Damar ... cough
Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-02-28 19:00:21 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
Caldari Prime is just a rock, like many others. What matters is the current population of the planet are citizens of the Federation. The majority are of Gallente ancestry and the minority are of Caldari ancestry that are also loyal to the Federation, who are getting their lives disrupted because people just can't let go of the past.

This pride you have is not enough to make billions of people to pack up and leave and neither are threats to their well being. A shadow may be cast over the planet but freedom will prevail in the end. And agression will be returned in greater force.

That is all.


It is just a rock to you, it is the rock that forms the foundation of our traditions our culture and our entire way of life to us.

If those living there are so loyal to the Federation then rehouse them elsewhere within that Federation. In point of fact many of the genetically Caldari inhabitants were glad to see the arrival of liberating State forces, because they had been opressed, marginalised and abused for generations.

Let them decide whether to return to the ways of their ancestors or leave to rejoin the Federation you claim they support. After all, if it's really just a rock to you, then I begin to suspect that the only reason you want to keep it is because you want to keep it from us.


Listen to yourself for a second. Obviously that's never going to happen. I don't even need to explain why. I can understand a little why you would want your homeworld back, however making demands and threats won't get you anywhere especially in current state of affairs between the Federation and the Caldari State.

Your best hope is there's some kind of agreement and Caldari Prime is considered a neutral zone that would allow Caldari State citizens rights to visit and residence (some red tape would be required but that's another story). However that won't happen anytime soon, especially with a Leviathan acting as a bully in orbit.


A neutral zone on our own home planet? Land that rightful belongs to us in the first place? This must be a bad joke because I'm sure not laughing.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2013-02-28 19:55:41 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

That is the main issue isn't it ?

That is exactly what you have done.

Nobody forced the Caldari to leave when Caldari Prime got occupied by a foreign power. People lived here, the Gallente told them to get along or get out of their homes. Now, people live here, the Caldari (according to you) should tell them to get along or get out of their homes.


You are an absolute moron and you are speaking out of absolute ignorance.

Caldari Prime was being bombarded from space. A sustained orbital bombardment. In case you don't understand what that means, it means it was a long term, orbital destruction of homes, terrain, infrastructure and industry.

Nobody forced us to leave? Educate yourself or be silent.

I should have kept you ignored, it's better for my blood pressure.


Then you should have, indeed, for that the irony is baffling.
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