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New Caldari - Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth angrily denounced the speech given by Mentas Blaque last Thursday, calling it "racist, hateful, and revisionist rhetoric designed only to denigrate the Caldari people."

I'll grant you that you have a very real foundation to your misgivings, Ikiryo-haani, but answering Blaque's speech didn't actually require the Executor to reference anything that has happened in the last five years. In fact you yourself made the point that both sides are having the same old pointless, circular discussion that has plagued these very forums since before I graduated!

I've been a criticism of some of the Executor's breaches of tradition in the past and, no doubt, I will speak against him again in the future, but this speech of his was spot on the mark. There is no sane interpretation of events that gives the Federation a claim on the Caldari homeworld and generations of occupation and a failed attempt at genocide more than justifies the actions taken by the State Military to reoccupy it.

Hmm. While you're quite right that it didn't really require any more of him, Tuulinen-haan - Mister Blaque wasn't exactly bursting out any revolutionary ideas, and he's the one who initiated - I suppose I was still expecting something a little more, in light of his recent actions.

It's quite obvious what both sides believe at this point, and how both have wronged eachother (The extent to which of course being debatable, and I hope it's fairly obvious on which side I'd be sitting in that regard) and frankly, both of them need to do more then simply continue to state those sentiments. Options and compromises, or atleast terms, need to be put on the table. Unless we're intending to play a game of "Catch" with Black Rise and Placid indefinately.

I want to believe, after recent events, that the Executor still has a vision for the State, and for the end of this conflict. That there's a reason he's still holding onto his office.

But in all honestly, that speech he read could have been from half a decade ago. It painted a picture of a man holding only contempt for his enemies, and single-mindedly focused on one objective... And with little idea of how to reach it.

If you will forgive me for saying.

(Also, I corrected a typo where I had incorrectly referred to the speech as belonging to President Roden. That was wishful thinking on my part, I suppose.)

Yes, I suppose it would be insane to consider the State's previous legal recognition of the Federation's claim in any way legitimate.

In any event, there's nothing 'spot on the mark' in Heth's game of projection and racism; he apparently sees the world as he sees himself, and thinks his opponents feel about his side as he feels about theirs. It would be sad if he weren't powerful enough for it to be frightening instead.

The fact that the statement I just modified is true and valid shows you why a comparison to the situation with the Amarr and Minmatar does not apply.

Despite your clear bias on the question, I will attempt an answer.

I honestly don't care if the Federation thinks it can't tolerate a "well-armed garrison world", that world is our home world, you could at least do us the decency of referring to it as such. The fact of the matter is that the Gallente home world and the Caldari home world are in the same solar system and both of them rightfully belong to their respective peoples and will be garrisoned and armed against enemy forces. Period. Tolerance doesn't even enter the picture.

Your second question is irrelevant, the Federation does and would continue to be a well-armed, potentially hostile force surrounding the Caldari home world.

Yes, we understand there are legitimate security concerns. Just as we expect the Federation (and you) to understand the same concerns apply in our position. There wouldn't even be a need for a garrison force on Caldari Prime if it wasn't surrounded by a potentially hostile and larger force.

Does this mean I am pointing blame at the Gallente? No. The situation is what it is, though.



No, it isn't.



The Federation should relinquish any and all claim on Caldari Prime and recognize it is as a Caldari world in exchange for the State recognizing the right-to-remain of the Gallente living on the world that wish to remain there. In so doing, the Federation recognizes the Caldari right to govern its own home world and those Gallente choosing to remain would fall under State jurisdiction.

This would invariably result in both Caldari Prime and Gallente Prime being garrisoned one against another because our peoples have an extensive history of not trusting one another. It would also make abundantly clear the foolishness of any attempt to strike from Caldari Prime because it would be hilariously outgunned from all angles and surrender Caldari Prime all over again.

The fact remains that we Caldari didn't bring Caldari Prime into this conflict, the Gallente did when they decided to use a sustained orbital bombardment of the entire planet as retaliation against the terrorist bombing of Nouvelle Rouvenoir. If we were given Caldari Prime back and then used it as a place to strike from, we would be the ones bringing Caldari Prime into the conflict and any claim on holding it should the Gallente overtake it again would be surrendered.

It is perfectly possible to renounce one's claim to all of the examples you mention here. Take it from one who has done it.

Ishuk-Raata has no official comment to make on this.

The heritage I renounced was not Caldari. Still, it would make no difference if it had been. The principle is the same.

We can spend days and days discussing who started this conflict and we'll be stretching back a few decades to find arguments for either side's claims in order to do it and it will resolve nothing. If this keeps going I see both the State and Federation becoming obsessed with each other's death until death is all they can see and death is all they deserve. It's time to stop arguing. It no longer matters who started it. It only matters who is suffering. It may not be a total open war, but nonetheless the CONCORD sanctioned fighting makes life for many nothing but misery and pain.

Personally I find this whole concept of Homeworlds and them holding special meaning a strange notion. They're just planets, a few of many in the cluster. If they have a special quality or meaning it is because we give it to them, because we foolishly put our belief in thinking that someone they add to our greatness. The greatness of any people comes from the people themselves and not any planet or object.

The worst part is, the best solution, an independent faction taking charge of the Luminaire system, isn't likely to be accepted either because both sides are stubborn and don't believe a neutral faction would be able to keep the system as safe as they could. So unless the Luminaire sun goes supernova and destroys both worlds, I don't see this ending in the near future.