Ships & Modules

Well..no. Active Shield tanking is better than active armor tanking (Ancillary shield booster). So its fair enough that armor buffer tanking is supirior to shield buffer tanking. Also shields have a passive regen, where armor has higher overall resists.

So, you're perfectly happy with buffs to active armour tanking, but not with buffs to buffer shield tanking? Hypocritical much?

Agreed. Personally I would just remove them. There are already way more sizes of plates than are actually needed.



How so?

Active and buffer tanking are in no way related to each others, and the other properties of buffer tanks balance each others out.

tank vs gank
mobility vs midslots

On top of that shield repairs automagically.

The only solution is to remove the 50mm, 100mm plates and the micro and maybe small shield extenders from the game.

200mm plates are used now and then. The objective of fitting a buffer is, of course, to make that buffer as big as possible. You achieve this, often, by foregoing a resist module for an RCU or Micro APC, or rig with Ancillary Current Routers instead of resist rigs, if that is enough to tip you over into fitting a 1600mm vs 800mm, or 400mm vs 200mm (and same for shield). However, sometimes the maths don't work, and you need those smaller plate sizes.

However, in the shield arena, the fitting choice and the way the PG and CPU maths work on every frigate or destroyer goes, and the way the fit becomes more viable with the addition of unbonused TD's or RSD's, you are better off foregoing an MSE for an MASB, and if you can''t fit an MASB, you fit a TD and rethink your fit versus sticking on a Small Shield Extender II which does absolutely nothing for you.

To be honest, small shield extenders and 100mm plates exist only to be fit to megathrons by nubs.

But I also don't support fiddling the shield extender maths in any fashion. They are what they are, they are just named inappropriately, where a large is really a medium, and an XL-ASB is really a Large. So get over it.

If by perfectly happy you mean that while buffer and active armor tanking suck compared to shield, but by not as much as before, then I guess yes.

Please not another lets make shield and armour tanking the same thread!

the smaller plates 20mm and 100mm are indeed very rarely used but the 200mm plates are used in plenty of frig pvp fits.

and yes the small extender is also very rarely used but it is used....but generally most people fit something else instead.

stop trying to make shield and armour the same. For active or buffer. THEY ARE DIFFERENT!

with the new skills the 200's seem decent. If you splurge for the "cheap" ds ab's its gets you a little more spring in your step it looks like.


SSE....while not popular can be useful. I liked them on bombers. As my main bomber was manticore I ewar fit (ecm, damps, etc) basically if they were ineffective and I could not gtfo....SSE or MSE just be a difference in how long till I'd go boom. In a bad situation that MSE is just making it so the noob with crap weapons support skills has an easier target to hit lol.

Fixed that for ya. These days you only get to catch slow cruisers in your dreams.

You really have no idea how little difference in siggnature radius you get from an MSE versus a SSE, and how little that really makes a difference to whether or not a nub hits you. I put it to you, good sir, that you die more often from bad piloting with stealth bombers than from a bad experience on the fitting screen.