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OMG HORSE MEAT IN IKEA´s MEATBALLS!!!!!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#21 - 2013-02-25 20:06:10 UTC
IKEA meatballs. A dish best served with a few missing screws and an allen wrench.

Now with moar horse.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#22 - 2013-02-25 20:52:24 UTC
I'd serve it with a flamethrower. Because Fire is the Cleanser!

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#23 - 2013-02-26 02:00:27 UTC
Looks like the EU is on the warpath, we should be anticipating a re regulation of the industry across the Union and possibly restrictions against imports. I wonder how the US would respond to this Ugh

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2013-02-26 02:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Kirjava wrote:
Looks like the EU is on the warpath, we should be anticipating a re regulation of the industry across the Union and possibly restrictions against imports. I wonder how the US would respond to this Ugh



We have been strangely quiet, have we not? Not a story yet on if inspections are stepped up over here or not.

But that fish mis-labelling article I posted above is probably a hint of what the scale will probably be.

And it will probably be more frightening over here as we don't have half the dignity or class as Europe.

edit: in other words, when we do something bad, it's REALLY bad.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-02-26 11:25:21 UTC
Again, there's nothing wrong with eating horse meat. If you liked IKEA meatballs, keep eating them and STFU. Had this not come out, you would never have known. People are acting like children who eat something and love it, only to find out it's something they thought they didn't like.

Here's a clue: THERE IS HORSE MEAT IN ALMOST *EVERYTHING* THAT'S NOT FRESH MEAT. If you buy frozen meat and expect it to be top quality, you're an idiot who knows nothing about food. It's hilarious that people have no problem with hot dogs. yet horse meat crosses the line for some reason.

Just eat dog food and get it over with, since everyone who's wigging out over this obviously has no clue what good food is.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2013-02-26 13:24:48 UTC
Astenion wrote:
Again, there's nothing wrong with eating horse meat. If you liked IKEA meatballs, keep eating them and STFU. Had this not come out, you would never have known. People are acting like children who eat something and love it, only to find out it's something they thought they didn't like.

Here's a clue: THERE IS HORSE MEAT IN ALMOST *EVERYTHING* THAT'S NOT FRESH MEAT. If you buy frozen meat and expect it to be top quality, you're an idiot who knows nothing about food. It's hilarious that people have no problem with hot dogs. yet horse meat crosses the line for some reason.

Just eat dog food and get it over with, since everyone who's wigging out over this obviously has no clue what good food is.



There are drugs in horses that are dangerous to humans.

What is hard to understand about that ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#27 - 2013-02-26 14:22:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Again, there's nothing wrong with eating horse meat. If you liked IKEA meatballs, keep eating them and STFU. Had this not come out, you would never have known. People are acting like children who eat something and love it, only to find out it's something they thought they didn't like.

Here's a clue: THERE IS HORSE MEAT IN ALMOST *EVERYTHING* THAT'S NOT FRESH MEAT. If you buy frozen meat and expect it to be top quality, you're an idiot who knows nothing about food. It's hilarious that people have no problem with hot dogs. yet horse meat crosses the line for some reason.

Just eat dog food and get it over with, since everyone who's wigging out over this obviously has no clue what good food is.



There are drugs in horses that are dangerous to humans.

What is hard to understand about that ?
Modification: There may be drugs in horse meat which are harmful to humans. Mislabeled meat means you can't know what quality of horse meat is involved. And that is a serious issue. Astenion, can you accurately and with documentation assert that I am wrong? If no, then STFU until such time as that changes.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-02-26 14:53:41 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Looks like the EU is on the warpath, we should be anticipating a re regulation of the industry across the Union and possibly restrictions against imports. I wonder how the US would respond to this Ugh

One of the news items is the reduction in number of food inspectors in US due to the automatic spending cuts, the cuts should go in effect in March, so we will not see any changes until April-May.

With all the horse meat in EU, one of the things I have not seen is the question of: Where did the horses come from? Are there some huge horse farms perhaps in Poland? And if EU raises so many horses, what are they for? We barely use horses these days, we don't use them for transportation, we don't use them for farm work, we don't use them for industrial work. Why is EU has such a glut of horses, enough to sell them to meat packers whole sale, year after year?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2013-02-26 15:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Caleidascope wrote:


With all the horse meat in EU, one of the things I have not seen is the question of: Where did the horses come from?


God only knows. Here is a map of the distribution pattern of food in EU:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/02/horse%20graphic%202.jpg

Truly hair-raising. Plenty of room to 'hide things'.

edit: This is obviously a criminally minded, continental (beyond even national) duping setup created deliberately by nefarious elements within that industry.

Also, cannot find the equivalent info for USA.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#30 - 2013-02-26 15:28:11 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:


With all the horse meat in EU, one of the things I have not seen is the question of: Where did the horses come from?


God only knows. Here is a map of the distribution pattern of food in EU:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/02/horse%20graphic%202.jpg

Truly hair-raising. Plenty of room to 'hide things'.

edit: This is obviously a criminally minded, continental (beyond even national) duping setup created deliberately by nefarious elements within that industry.

Also, cannot find the equivalent info for USA.

Actually, looks more like standard international business practices. All it takes is one manager somewhwere along the line facing a shortfall of supply (which can happen at any moment, for any number of reasons, legitimate or not) to corrupt the process. He needs meat to fill commited orders, and if the shortfall happens, well, it only takes a bit of additional pressure,* or a lack of individual integrity, and BAM! Bad meat in the chain. It doesn't take willful or premeditated criminality. Just a weak link will do the job.

There's a reason why people shout "Buy Local!"


* Pressure such as : Low margin business can't face the costs of missing a shipment, or maybe his boss is screaming at him for better numbers, or maybe he's got a mistress who needs support - Or maybe his kids need braces.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2013-02-26 15:40:22 UTC
silens vesica wrote:

There's a reason why people shout "Buy Local!"



So proud to have hailed from the city that started "Local/Sustainable" - San Fran. I first heard the words around 1997, but Alice Waters of Chez Panisse had been advocating this since 1976.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2013-02-26 15:41:57 UTC
silens vesica wrote:

* Pressure such as : Low margin business can't face the costs of missing a shipment, or maybe his boss is screaming at him for better numbers, or maybe he's got a mistress who needs support - Or maybe his kids need braces.



.....or just plain GREED with no underlying reason.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#33 - 2013-02-26 16:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
Not sure how double post, please delete.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#34 - 2013-02-26 16:22:31 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Astenion wrote:

There are drugs in horses that are dangerous to humans.

What is hard to understand about that ?
Modification: There may be drugs in horse meat which are harmful to humans. Mislabeled meat means you can't know what quality of horse meat is involved. And that is a serious issue. Astenion, can you accurately and with documentation assert that I am wrong? If no, then STFU until such time as that changes.


As I understand it, a large portion of the Horsemeat may be imported from the US, where they are raised under US law which requires they be treated as pets and have the appropriate vaccinations and drugs which contaminate the flesh for the Human food chain. This is the fear in Continental Europe where its considered a mislabelling with funny Brits off their rocker with eating their pets (its like an American finding out he's eating a Dog, lets just call it a cultural difference and leave it at that).

AS I understand it there is already heavy restrictions on foodstuffs being imported from the US because of potential GM contamination and (as elaborated in shows like Boston Legal better than I can articulate) and not testing for Mad Cow disease. If US firms are found to be a part of this then we could see a major spat at the WTO, the EU demanding minimum inspection standards or a ban on food imports from its trading partners, which would be over and above standards the Democrats would propose. The EU can't grow all its food "local" but it sure as hell can feed itself at a cost that the population is willing to pay for, and the new wave of vegetarianism going on because of this....

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-02-26 16:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
silens vesica wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Again, there's nothing wrong with eating horse meat. If you liked IKEA meatballs, keep eating them and STFU. Had this not come out, you would never have known. People are acting like children who eat something and love it, only to find out it's something they thought they didn't like.

Here's a clue: THERE IS HORSE MEAT IN ALMOST *EVERYTHING* THAT'S NOT FRESH MEAT. If you buy frozen meat and expect it to be top quality, you're an idiot who knows nothing about food. It's hilarious that people have no problem with hot dogs. yet horse meat crosses the line for some reason.

Just eat dog food and get it over with, since everyone who's wigging out over this obviously has no clue what good food is.



There are drugs in horses that are dangerous to humans.

What is hard to understand about that ?
Modification: There may be drugs in horse meat which are harmful to humans. Mislabeled meat means you can't know what quality of horse meat is involved. And that is a serious issue. Astenion, can you accurately and with documentation assert that I am wrong? If no, then STFU until such time as that changes.


And AGAIN, if you're buying mass-produced, frozen meat expecting there not to be ashes, drugs, and dead carcasses from various animals in the meat, you're an idiot. This whole debate is likened to eating out of a cesspool and then complaining that you found horse meat in it. The problem isn't the horse meat, it's everything else.

People here have been eating horse for generations. Italy has some of the strictest public health regulations in the world regarding meat and food, yet, SURPRISE SURPRISE!...no one has gotten sick from eating horse. Taco Bell isn't even allowed in the country. The problem lies with these countries' health regulations, not the meat itself. Italians are also among the healthiest and longest-living people in the western world. Horses aren't born with drugs in their systems, so if a horse is to be raised for consumption, it's obviously not going to have said drugs. Fiorentina was just recently added back to public consumption due to the strict regulations on the quality of the meat, AND THAT'S WORLD-CLASS BEEF.

Horse meat is the least of your worries when it comes to mass-produced meat. Stop eating crappy, mass-produced garbage and you won't have to worry about anything is all I'm saying. Just look at what it was found in: Findus frozen "lasagne", IKEA frozen meatballs, Burger King....see the pattern? If you have a diet of crappy food, then you're going to ingest crap. There are just as many if not more drugs in all other types of meat as there are in horse.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2013-02-26 16:53:42 UTC
Astenion wrote:

And AGAIN, if you're buying mass-produced, frozen meat expecting there not to be ashes, drugs, and dead carcasses from various animals in the meat, you're an idiot. This whole debate is likened to eating out of a cesspool and then complaining that you found horse meat in it. The problem isn't the horse meat, it's everything else.




You sound as if this is should be considered OK or something and not offering any solution.

And denigrating the general public for trusting the meat companies...OF WHICH THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO DO.

I'm starting to smell TROLL.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-02-26 16:54:51 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Astenion wrote:

There are drugs in horses that are dangerous to humans.

What is hard to understand about that ?
Modification: There may be drugs in horse meat which are harmful to humans. Mislabeled meat means you can't know what quality of horse meat is involved. And that is a serious issue. Astenion, can you accurately and with documentation assert that I am wrong? If no, then STFU until such time as that changes.


As I understand it, a large portion of the Horsemeat may be imported from the US, where they are raised under US law which requires they be treated as pets and have the appropriate vaccinations and drugs which contaminate the flesh for the Human food chain. This is the fear in Continental Europe where its considered a mislabelling with funny Brits off their rocker with eating their pets (its like an American finding out he's eating a Dog, lets just call it a cultural difference and leave it at that).

AS I understand it there is already heavy restrictions on foodstuffs being imported from the US because of potential GM contamination and (as elaborated in shows like Boston Legal better than I can articulate) and not testing for Mad Cow disease. If US firms are found to be a part of this then we could see a major spat at the WTO, the EU demanding minimum inspection standards or a ban on food imports from its trading partners, which would be over and above standards the Democrats would propose. The EU can't grow all its food "local" but it sure as hell can feed itself at a cost that the population is willing to pay for, and the new wave of vegetarianism going on because of this....

Here are some numbers for you about US:
"In the 1980s, more than 300 000 horses were processed annually in 16 federally inspected plants, while in 2006, 105 000 horses were slaughtered for human food in the remaining abattoirs, 2 in Texas and 1 in Illinois (2). On average, 60 000 horses (25 000 of US origin) are killed at Canadian slaughterhouses each year (10,12) and 11 000 United States’ (US) horses are sent to Mexican slaughterhouses annually (2)."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2034431/

This is from The Canadian Veterinary Journal, 2007, so you know it is fair ☺ Clearly there is a decline in horse meat production in US. While I am sure we still export some, I don't think we are any kind of major supplier of horse meat to Europe.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#38 - 2013-02-26 16:57:46 UTC
Astenion wrote:


Horse meat is the least of your worries when it comes to mass-produced meat. Stop eating crappy, mass-produced garbage and you won't have to worry about anything is all I'm saying. Just look at what it was found in: Findus frozen "lasagne", IKEA frozen meatballs, Burger King....see the pattern? If you have a diet of crappy food, then you're going to ingest crap. There are just as many if not more drugs in all other types of meat as there are in horse.



So, do you know how many people can afford an utterly guaranteed organic unadulterated T-Bone steak every day ?

Worldwide, not that many.

Get off your high horse (pun intended).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-02-26 17:00:39 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Astenion wrote:

And AGAIN, if you're buying mass-produced, frozen meat expecting there not to be ashes, drugs, and dead carcasses from various animals in the meat, you're an idiot. This whole debate is likened to eating out of a cesspool and then complaining that you found horse meat in it. The problem isn't the horse meat, it's everything else.




You sound as if this is should be considered OK or something and not offering any solution.

And denigrating the general public for trusting the meat companies...OF WHICH THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO DO.

I'm starting to smell TROLL.


Wow. Just wow. The solution is, as I've stated umpteen times: STOP EATING CRAPPY, MASS-PRODUCED MEAT.

THERE IS A CHOICE! KNOW WHERE YOUR MEAT COMES FROM! Even other people here have already stated that you should buy local when it comes to meat. Why are you buying processed, frozen meat? GO TO YOUR LOCAL BUTCHER AND ASK QUESTIONS! Where is the disconnect here?

Why does the general public have "no choice but to trust the meat companies"? There's your problem right there: MEAT COMPANIES. You answered your own question.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-02-26 17:05:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Astenion wrote:


Horse meat is the least of your worries when it comes to mass-produced meat. Stop eating crappy, mass-produced garbage and you won't have to worry about anything is all I'm saying. Just look at what it was found in: Findus frozen "lasagne", IKEA frozen meatballs, Burger King....see the pattern? If you have a diet of crappy food, then you're going to ingest crap. There are just as many if not more drugs in all other types of meat as there are in horse.



So, do you know how many people can afford an utterly guaranteed organic unadulterated T-Bone steak every day ?

Worldwide, not that many.

Get off your high horse (pun intended).


What "utterly organic, unadulterated T-Bone steak" are you talking about? Organic? WTF does organic have to do with knowing where your meat comes from, and who eats steak every day? I'm talking all types of meat, not just beef. Know where your ground beef comes from, your sausage, your steak, your pork roast, your pork chops, your pork ribs, etc. You should never, ever buy any type of meat with a company label on it. Meat should be fresh. If you're eating mass-produced meat, you get what you pay for.

See, this is the problem in the US: you think it's either mass-produced or some hippie organic crap and that's your only choice. Go to a butcher shop and ask questions and find out for yourself. Take an interest in what you're putting in your body and make an informed, well-rounded decision, not some knee-jerk reaction to horse meat based on what someone linked you on Facebook.

A good rule of thumb is never to buy meat at the grocery store unless the butcher is an independent butcher and you know exactly where the meat comes from. This mentality of buying everything at the same place in the US is exactly why the health regulations are so low and why everyone's sick and fat: they'd rather have convenience over quality. Why should anyone care about their product when the consumers don't even care?