Science & Industry

Procurer with 2xMLU : twice the EHP, half the cargohold, same yield, less than half the price of a 2xMLU + DC Retriever. No sane player will ever try to gank you (except for the LULZ).

SKIFFS ARE FOR HOBOS ! SAVE A GANKER, DON'T FLY ONE !

People don't tank them well because people don't want to train mining laser upgrades V and stop at IV. Because of this they don't have enough CPU or power to setup a descent tank and maybe do 1 mid and 2 rigs.

Well - if your BS has ~30k ehp that is. In my book 30k ehp is more of a ballpark of moderately tanky cruiser. Ofc, to be fair, a unfitted Armageddon, for example, has indeed ~30k ehp.

A skiff isn't a mack, you do realize they have different bonuses. Continue comparing to an improper fit 800M hull though, its a great argument. Take all your mad to some other game.

I ice mine next to about 100 other mackinaws.

Thats why.

I don't know why people don't mine more in procurers and skiffs.

Procurers are super cheap and can be annoying to gank when fit with T1 meta 0 mods.

Procurer
strip miner 1
medium shield extender 1
invurnability field 1
2 shield hardeners/resistance amps
2 mlu tech 0
(no rigs)

Skiff
strip miner 1
2 Med shield extender 2's
1 invurnability field 2
2 shield hardeners 2's
2 mlu 2's
2 shield extender rigs

Mine in the skiff if you're not getting harassed. Not only is unattractive to gankers, but it looks badass and makes all the miner girl panties sticky. It's the fastest of all the exhumers/mining barges, and has the fastest warp speed. It's like the Corvette of mining.

If you're getting harassed or you think you're in danger of getting ganked fly the procurer. They can gank you, but there's little benefit to them because it's cheap and easy to replace. There's also no loot value that they can pick up to help offset the cost of the gank. You could possibly go down to 1 mlu and put on a damage control, but honestly if they're that hard up to gank miners it may just be best to move to another area.

It also helps that I have an orca that uses a shield harmonizing gang link 2. People can still gank me, nothing in eve can really stop that, but there are much softer targets available and they'll usually go find them. People that don't protect their investments from at least a minimal gank deserve to lose their ships.

/for ice mining you have to drop the specific hardeners to resist amps

Another side question for you barely paying attention miners do you actually use strip miner II's? I always forget to change crystals when I'm barely paying attention mining so I stopped and just went back to the strip miner 1. I could see maybe if you were only mining one type of rock it may be worth while, but I just kind of mine everything within reach. I also don't have to pay attention to how many and of what type of crystals are in my hold.

I guess that's a fair answer. Maybe it's just a difference for me using skiffs more than macks. With the 3x multiplier on strip miners I tend to pop rocks in 2 cycles, and I don't think most rocks are in the "if I had a tech 2 w/crystal I would pop in one cycle" range. Because the conversation is about barely paying attention mining it should be fairly obvious that I'm not short cycling strip miners.

Guess that's something. The mack is definitely more efficient when you're paying attention, but the skiff is still better for picking up space chicks.

Something seems off here. The skiff has the same yield bonuses as the Mack, so if the mack is using one low for a DC II and the skiff isn't they should have the same yield (same ship bonuses + 2 MLU II's).

This is the build I'm using for the skiff:
Strip miner 1
Medium shield extender II
Medium shield extender II
Invurnability Field II
EM Resistance Amplifier
Thermal Resistance Amplifier
MLU II
MLU II
Shield Extender Rig 1
Shield Extender Rig 1

EHP 78k

You have to pretty much have max fitting skills to get this to fit, but that's not too hard for a miner. To fit a strip miner II you have to use a engineering implant, I think it was a 1%. You can go straight over into max yield ice mining with the exact same tank.

Add it to the fleet with an orca with Shield Harmonizing gang link II (assuming 2 mining gang links and mining foreman mindlink) and the EHP goes up to 96k.

Now that's some hefty beef in a mining fleet. And the skiff has the spinners, which is the kind of bling that gets the space chicks all hot and bothered.

I would drop the numbers for a procurer and how beefy it is for a dirt cheap miner, but I can't remember what they were. I think it was ~44k for Yield lows/highs and tank mids, no rigs.

it fills its tank slots or it gets the hose again.