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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#141 - 2013-03-01 22:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Adding this 7 day war follow while preventing vets from entering NPC corps would be a simple and easy to implement nerf to high sec. No longer will people be able to make zero risk isk.

So they would just play an alt for the duration. What you got all their alts decced too? So they change to their other account. What you got all those decced too? So they start a buddy account and keep everyone in an NPC corp until they are too "old". Then cancel the account and start another. If "too old" is defined by skill points, then just do not train them very far and the need to cycle accounts goes away.

If a player does not want to participate in a war, you cannot make them.

Edit: Also note that the most isk is made by traders. A basic trader requires little skill points, never undocks, and makes bucket loads of ISK, totally risk free (other than the $15 per month we all risk, one way or another).

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2013-03-01 22:36:13 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Lrn2trvialize"highsec pvp"

Nerf ganking as well.

Not sure where that came from.
Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
#143 - 2013-03-02 08:58:13 UTC
If you blindly wardec someone without assessing the situation then you have deservedly lost your isk. When you attack a shell corporation they are going to burn it to the ground and leave. That's what they are designed to do. Maybe you might actually have to think about how to deal damage to industry operations instead of just camping their station.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#144 - 2013-03-02 11:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Silvara Nocturn wrote:
If you blindly wardec someone without assessing the situation then you have deservedly lost your isk. When you attack a shell corporation they are going to burn it to the ground and leave. That's what they are designed to do. Maybe you might actually have to think about how to deal damage to industry operations instead of just camping their station.


Exactly. Hisec wars arent supposed to emulate real wars... that's what nullsec is for. It resembles corporate rivalry in a universe so grimdark that shooting the other guy becomes a legal action. The dec is against an entity. The point is to hamper that entity in space-related activity. Should their members leave to evade it, you weaken that entity. Should it disband because of it, you win.

For effective corporate warfare you have to do your research. Say you discover corp A uses shell corp B to rake in ISK. Any dec against A would leave B unaffected. Find out how they operate: say that A operates in hisec while B maintains a POS in lowsec. Your most efective option would be not to wardec A, but to set up a siege against that POS and take the sec hit for it. That means corp A is going to lose a large chunck of income, while you lose only a marginal amount of sec status. If you succeed.

Also, the wardec system is working better then everyone thinks. While people have a hard time griefing the snot out of a specific individual, it works the same in real life too. Lately lots of banks and financial insitutions have gonna pretty much belly-up: yet individuals in high positions simply get high positions and well paid jobs elsewhere. So it's a pointless fight anyway Lol doesn't mean you can't have fun.
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#145 - 2013-03-05 00:52:29 UTC
Whitehound, please add me to your contacts so I can eve mail you.

Leo Saber
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2013-03-05 17:23:47 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Whitehound, please add me to your contacts so I can eve mail you.




o/ RF! nice work on trying to seduce Push! might see you around and apply some pressure on you aswell :) Hope to see you soon in a JF or in a ... more expensive haul :D
Sorlac
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#147 - 2013-03-05 17:56:46 UTC
I agree that you shouldn't be able to avoid war-decs by dropping from corp; after they introduce a mechanic in which I can pay 50M isk to force another corp to mine for me for 7 days. Could even set it up so that they can hire a mining corp to do their mining for them if they want.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#148 - 2013-03-05 18:01:23 UTC
Sorlac wrote:
I agree that you shouldn't be able to avoid war-decs by dropping from corp; after they introduce a mechanic in which I can pay 50M isk to force another corp to mine for me for 7 days. Could even set it up so that they can hire a mining corp to do their mining for them if they want.

Interesting idea. So they'd still dock up for 7 days? Or "hire" a one-man alt corp to stay docked for 7 days?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2013-03-05 18:11:11 UTC
EI Digin wrote:

You're not fooling anyone, you're just abusing the fact that you can drop a form of non-consensual PVP at your whim, which is an exploit because there's nothing anyone can to do stop you.


It is not abuse. It is not an exploit.

It is working as intended.


If you could war dec a corp, and that locked all the players into the war, the carebears would either 1) never join a player corp and just stay NPC from the start. or 2) quit playing when they found they were at constant war without an easy way to return to playing the game the way tehy want to enjoy playing it.


CCP gives you mechanisms to mess with others, and then gives those others mechanisms to avoid being messed with.


Bottom line is, if you can stop an industrialist from making a living, that industrialist won't be able to fund his accounts with PLEX, resulting in many of the industrialists dropping their subscriptions.

CCP has created high sec, NPC corps, CONCORD and all the other mechanisms, to give carebears a way to be able to go about their business, making ISK, buying PLEX, and keeping their accounts funded.

Exploit? NO!

Working as intended!
Sorlac
Cosmos Industrial
Cosmos Origins
#150 - 2013-03-05 18:17:16 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sorlac wrote:
I agree that you shouldn't be able to avoid war-decs by dropping from corp; after they introduce a mechanic in which I can pay 50M isk to force another corp to mine for me for 7 days. Could even set it up so that they can hire a mining corp to do their mining for them if they want.

Interesting idea. So they'd still dock up for 7 days? Or "hire" a one-man alt corp to stay docked for 7 days?


Would probably have to set-up so that each person in the forced-mining corp could go do their own thing when they have someone in the hired mining corp to cover for them. I kind of just added that last sentence on last minute; there to represent the hiring a merc corp to pew pew for you in a war-dec.
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#151 - 2013-03-05 20:05:07 UTC
Leo Saber wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Whitehound, please add me to your contacts so I can eve mail you.




o/ RF! nice work on trying to seduce Push! might see you around and apply some pressure on you aswell :) Hope to see you soon in a JF or in a ... more expensive haul :D


Is that your corp that just war-decced us?

If so, i'm so sorry you just lost so much money for nothing.

Red Frog and Black Frog Freighter/JF Pilots are all out of the Red Frog alliance.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#152 - 2013-03-05 20:13:57 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Leo Saber wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Whitehound, please add me to your contacts so I can eve mail you.




o/ RF! nice work on trying to seduce Push! might see you around and apply some pressure on you aswell :) Hope to see you soon in a JF or in a ... more expensive haul :D


Is that your corp that just war-decced us?

If so, i'm so sorry you just lost so much money for nothing.

Red Frog and Black Frog Freighter/JF Pilots are all out of the Red Frog alliance.


I find it amusing that after all this time, people still wardec the Frogs. From my understanding the only people actually wearing a Frog Alliance uniform are the contract managers who rarely, if ever, undock (or even need to).

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#153 - 2013-03-05 20:24:15 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
I find it amusing that after all this time, people still wardec the Frogs. From my understanding the only people actually wearing a Frog Alliance uniform are the contract managers who rarely, if ever, undock (or even need to).

Making good use of the highsec anti-"pvp" mechanics.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#154 - 2013-03-05 23:32:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
I find it amusing that after all this time, people still wardec the Frogs. From my understanding the only people actually wearing a Frog Alliance uniform are the contract managers who rarely, if ever, undock (or even need to).

Making good use of the highsec anti-"pvp" mechanics.


that doesn't prevent you from ganking our freighters tho!

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#155 - 2013-03-05 23:55:09 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
I find it amusing that after all this time, people still wardec the Frogs. From my understanding the only people actually wearing a Frog Alliance uniform are the contract managers who rarely, if ever, undock (or even need to).

Making good use of the highsec anti-"pvp" mechanics.

that doesn't prevent you from ganking our freighters tho!

Are you cramming 20 billion into them and autopiloting to Jita?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lin Suizei
#156 - 2013-03-06 00:19:35 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP gives you mechanisms to mess with others, and then gives those others mechanisms to avoid being messed with.

Bottom line is, if you can stop an industrialist from making a living, that industrialist won't be able to fund his accounts with PLEX, resulting in many of the industrialists dropping their subscriptions.


No-one's stopping industrialists from making a living, it just means they can't autopilot their freighter or mine AFK. Look, I'd like to autopilot my carebear ships around lowsec too or AFK a t3 in space uncloaked, but I can't because the reality is, if I do it, I'm probably going to lose it. Same goes for industralists.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#157 - 2013-03-06 01:57:55 UTC
Go find a pvp corporation to fight and not a bunch of miners and you will get your war. I suspect though that the OP is not actually after a good fight rather they are after some easy targets without the risk of losing a ship to CONCORD.

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.
Prekaz
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#158 - 2013-03-06 02:16:03 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:


This does really need adressed.



Someone else is not playing the game the way I want them to play. Something MUST be done about this. Roll
Lin Suizei
#159 - 2013-03-06 02:46:38 UTC
Domina Trix wrote:
Go find a pvp corporation to fight and not a bunch of miners and you will get your war. I suspect though that the OP is not actually after a good fight rather they are after some easy targets without the risk of losing a ship to CONCORD.


You seem to think there's something wrong with picking on miners. Newsflash, there isn't.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Prekaz
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#160 - 2013-03-06 03:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Prekaz
Lin Suizei wrote:
Domina Trix wrote:
Go find a pvp corporation to fight and not a bunch of miners and you will get your war. I suspect though that the OP is not actually after a good fight rather they are after some easy targets without the risk of losing a ship to CONCORD.


You seem to think there's something wrong with picking on miners. Newsflash, there isn't.


There is definitely something wrong with crying like a little kid with a scraped knee when the miners you're trying to pick on trivially evade your amateurish offensive, though.

"Moooom, I'm trying to be a **** to this guy and he won't let me! It's not faaaaaaair" Lol