EVE General Discussion

Then they should change their definition of exploit to "Anything we say is an exploit is an exploit and nothing else". Not "An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever." It's crystal clear that in CCP's definition of an exploit it should be classified as one.

It usually takes them a while before they officially classify it as an exploit and start taking action after they discover how much damage it is doing to the game (usually through player feedback), much like it took a while for them to classify loitering in incursions as an exploit. They know it's a problem, they're just not sure exactly what to do about it, because giving the GMs a ton of new exploit petitions to deal with is not the answer. They don't necessarily have to officially classify it as an exploit and have the GMs start doing things in order for it to be fixed by the devs.

I hope the discussion we are having, along with what the rest of the playerbase is saying and doing raises a few eyebrows and shows them exactly what needs to be done, because this is the kind of constructive discussion that CCP needs to have in order to fix the wardec system and make highsec meaningful.

If the problem was as simple as you describe, the worst of worst coders could solve it immediately. This isn't in question. This isn't difficult, its quite literally the easiest thing they could do. Forcing people to stay in corps they don't want to is a bad idea though. If they don't like the corp for any reason, they NEED to be allowed to leave even if penalties are involved. Now where the problem arises is one can tear down their corp and reform... which in a way, prevents wardecs meant only as a "get out of CONCORD free" card on small, inexperienced corporations, which is likely why they don't consider that an exploit either. Now when you get into solving corp wardecs with those factors in mind, THAT is when it becomes hard.

Players that are part of a corp are corp assets. The corp can use those assets for its advantage, like for shared mining ops, or for income through bounty taxes, or for defense. It doesn't matter how useful those assets are to the corp, like if they are "a collection of players", they are still assets.

You should go work for CCP then.

I actually agree with this, locking them into the wardec but not the corp would be better. Sorry for not making this clear in this thread.

What exactly is a small, inexperienced corporation though? You can't have a classification where people can avoid wardecs at their own pleasure if they fit into that classification, because then everyone will gravitate, and have already gravitated towards that classification, making the use of the mechanic worthless and at the expense of all other classifications.

Small, inexperienced corporations aren't necessarily going to learn the ropes of the game by themselves, sometimes they need to visit the school of hard knocks in order become more experienced and excel as a corporation. Some players might find that they enjoy this kind of gameplay after being exposed to it, but because they aren't exposed to it at all and because the classification everyone says they are in severely limits this type of gameplay they never end up experiencing it.

If they need me for stuff that simple, I'd happily work for them. I'm hoping to get in the gaming industry, but I'm pretty sure I'm a few years away from that. I'm working on a two year degree that primarily consists of java, SQL, and web design.... not a good way to start off into the gaming industry.


A PoS generally makes it not worth disbanding... beyond that though? Well.. hard to say. I think that's where the real challenge lies. I just don't have much respect for corps that run T3 players and only go after corps with a bunch of vulnerable T1 ships and not much else...


Sometimes... I can't imagine learning much from being a new corp that comes into the game from another game and ends up with their ass kicked by a bunch of trolls looking for easy targets though. Not exactly the greatest first introduction to the game if you're not prepared for it. One can learn to put up with such things, buuuuut going off the deep end is not the most ideal of learning experiences for some. Some who could turn out to be good players end up drowning instead, so again, where things get tricky, figuring out where that balance lays.

To be fair, the cost caps out and those bigger alliances are the ones that absolutely WON'T break apart because of a wardec, so there'd still be plenty of targets. Although the additional cost really should be refunded if it falls under that cap number, yeah.

If nothing was done about it then, I guess it's intended... They basicly left everybody with the option to bail out at the cost of either leaving corp or disbanding...

I don't mean it's a good system btw. Just that it's not really an exploit unless is goes around an established rule wich currently don't exist.

Wardec evasion is not an exploit. It used to be an exploit, until CCP relented to carebear pressure and allowed this silly tactic.

There is one game mechanic that has always existed game-wide and doesn't necessarily cost anything. Diplomacy is the any corp's best bet for survival. They could join an alliance, they could find friends and ~blue the universe~, there are so many diplomatic options. Small, poor, inexperienced entities packed full of new players like Dreddit and Goonswarm have been using diplomacy to practically take over portions of the game. Take notes from the big blue donut stereotype you like to use, highsec.

If you tick off someone so bad that they are going to wardec you until you quit (the extreme edge case grief play scenario that everyone in highsec believe will happen to them) that person is wasting their time on you when they could be doing something more productive. Following people around for rest of their EVE careers isn't a valid option for anyone unless you give them good reason, and is going to be something that people will only resort to if they are desperate, or if they really really really don't like you and won't take any sort of concession from you other than you and your corp leaving the game.

It's not a very realistic style of play, you can only camp a station or an area of space that has few targets for so many hours or take so many jumps around a dead area of space only to kill maybe a few shuttles before you get bored and go do something else. And while they're bored and go away you might be able to come back for revenge.

I really like the idea of locking people into a corp for the duration of a war. So many cool things you could do!

Off the top of my head, get an awoxer into Corp A. Have awoxer's bros promptly declare war on Corp A. At least a week of locked in fun!

Hi, you must be new to the internet.

EDIT: I've been gaming for almost my entire life... if I've had to list the number of games where I've witnessed people just look for opportunities to screw with people, pretty much every online game ever would be on that list, and a good number of just multiplayer games.