EVE General Discussion

then there isn't any justification to make them mendatory, or to make them follow a player, or to impose them on anyone. Even if he's not hiding in a NPC corp.

I guess I'm cool with that if you want to be red to the entire npc corp into which they are placed when they drop corp. That would probably include the empire that npc corp belonged to as well.

My problem with wardecs isn't ppl that drop corp when dec'd but decc'rs who spam wardecs and never show up to fight. If you declare a war you should be rsponsible for aggressively prosecuting it, not setting in trade hubs hoping they'll blunder into you. Most wardecs I've seen pass without a shot being fired. Not a huge inconveinence if you typically fly pvp ships and have an alt for making trade hub runs just disappointing. A deccing corp should have to ideally engage the target or at least make an appearance in the opponent's headquarters system once every 24 hours or have the dec dropped.

As to diplomacy, there is really nothing to talk about when you are decc'd out of the blue by these ppl who are really just looking for carebears they can intimidate into paying a ransom without so much as hunting them down. If you pay a ransom like that, it is probable that word would get out and you will have to keep paying and paying when the other sharks smell blood in the water. There is no grievance to discuss they just want your isk.

I have yet to see a hi-sec war that has involved any proper fighting. People seem to only un-dock to fight when they know that they can win, war is not an exciting feature of the game.

I do find that it breaks my routine for a week; it goes a long to removing the point in having a persistence system. It is a mechanic that encourages those that don’t want to fight to find something other than Eve to fill their time with. It is a lot like the sort of enforced break that ‘do gooders’ want in games such as EVE.
After a war it seems to take a while for people to get back into the game and certainly is the point where it becomes clear that regulars have become occasional players – that in itself is not a bad thing for CCP provided they don’t give up entirely.

I think the ability to corp hop mitigates these problems to a certain extent. It would be silly to think that people are going to do something that they don’t want to do simply because you want them to do it, there is no amount of coding that will change that. Ultimately any design that directs a player to make a play or not play decision will always be ridiculous.

The implication of this topic is that the duration of a war is too long, since people won’t sit it out. Perhaps that is the case, I don’t know.

I do think that it is wrong that declaring war has no consequence for an aggressor that fails to be aggressive. If the defender comes out to fight then the aggressor should have to face them. I also think that it makes no sense that war can be declared randomly; there should be some reason for it and some goal that it aims to achieve. War should be a major event that has some lasting impact for each party, in Eve it is just a week long irritation – it seems reasonable that people would want to avoid it.

very interesting point!

to declare a war you should be able to point out the goal of the war. (may include a reward system or something like that)

let's say Corp A got a POS somewhere, and Corp B want to get rid of it for any reason. that will be your objective. (to avoid finding them easely you would need to enter the ID of said POS)

if you want to wardec a corporation without any asset, you could declare war agaisnt it, but the defender would have the ability to decline or accept it. should it decline, you would get the fee reimbursed.

if they accept the challenge, then game on!

You know what aggressors do when they can't handle the defenders?

They drop to an NPC corp.

It works both ways here, allowing people to shed wars at their leisure is a stupid mechanic/unplanned loophole/exploit because it removes any sort of risk or consequence for anyone involved in a war.

You can't POSSIBLY believe that it was an unplanned, loophole, exploit, CAN YOU?



Again Occam's Razor:

1) CCP accidentally created a way to not be driven out of the game by jerks, and has just neglected to fix it for the better part of a decade.

2) CCP knew that not having a way to escape war would drive people away from the game, so intentionally put in this escape to ensure people were not driven away from the game by griefers.

Not going to happen. You wardec corps, not players.

In the case of being able to drop to NPC corp to avoid war, it is a true dichotomy. Either CCP created it intentionally or accidentally. Working as designed, or exploited loophole. There is no 3rd option to intentional/accidental, designed/exploit dichotomy's.

Now, CCP may WANT me interacting with other players by violently trading ammo in space. However, if I refuse, will they then attempt to force me to, resulting in me leaving the game(good riddance), or give me an out that largely allows me to avoid this hostile exchange of ammo, so that I'll keep playing (good revenue).

Seems to me that they have carefully constructed game mechanics leading to option 2. There are carrots (POS, shared bookmarks, low/no tax, etc) that encourage me to join a player corp and sticks (high tax, no POS, no shared bookmarks, etc) against staying in the NPC corp. Whether through crimewatch, war dec, FW, sov, piracy, etc, CCP offers AMPLE opportunities to exchange ammo violently in space. But,they also have some game mechanics that, assuming I really don't want to participate in the violent exchange of ammo in space, let's me pretty much avoid it and go on playing the game.


Seriously, people think it was accidental?

It sure is working as intended when you're benefiting from it.

People who use PLEX for subscriptions, because PLEX prices are cheaper now that there are 4 more on the market.