EVE General Discussion

Hey, I'm trustworthy.

I'll happily tell you when I'm going to make you explode for the items you're carrying.

This is a hotly debated topic. One could argue (and people on Fox News do) that video games are simulators.

In that you are simulating violence in some games and/or immoral behavior in others.

Its like killing a prostitute in GTA. It doesn't make you bad per se, but if you enjoy doing it then the simulation tells us that you enjoy simulating immoral activites. If you enjoy it, then deep down on some level psychologically (base and darker instincts) it means you actually enjoy being immoral in circumstances where there is no reprocusion.

Chances are you won't go out and kill a prostitute because you played GTA (that is a terrible idea that Fox News pundits want us to believe what happens when you play a violent video game), but you don't mind simulating immoral behavior and the possibility is there that if the government came to you and said "You get one free prostitute kill, no questions asked" and you ask your preist or other religious authority and they say "You know I don't think god would mind this one time." then if you actually killed that prositute that you might enjoy it too.

What I mean by this is that many of us (if not everyone) is a psychopath deep in side. When you play video games with immoral behavior, that it means you actually like immoral behavior. It does not mean you will go out and commit these acts in real life.

On that note, I would like to compare EVE to the moral cupability of playing poker (if which you have the ability to use real money to buy chips, just that in EVE you can never cash out other than the free $14.99 bonus you get for the plex). You play the game and take money from other players through various acts. If you see that is immoral (and some people do see poker as immoral) then it is I suppose immoral from you view.

It is just like poker in that, if I have a good hand and take the opponents $15 in chips (or blow up a 500 million isk ship) I am taking money out of their pockets and putting it into mine. Even though in this game you can't take your isk and cash it out, you can use it to save real life money in subscription costs which means if you blow up a large value ship with enough loot drop, you just saved your self a sum of real life money and caused your opponent to have to spend money that they would not have to have spent otherwise.

Is that immoral? Well, somewhat as much as gambling in poker is.

I disagree. Blame the people because it is free will. Sick of people in games or real life not taking responsibility for thier own actions. Always someone else fault.

Man up and step up and own what belongs to you. It is your fault if you have low self esteem and feel the need to grief others just because you can.

So you're claiming that enjoying the simulation of something indicates that you, deep down, would enjoy the actual thing?
Try to think where that argument will get you in, say, the D/S community.

Then find a respected source to support it (i.e. peer-reviewed, well cited journal articles).


If you think that pretending to do bad things in a safe, fantasy environment is a mark of psychopathy, you have never met one. Nor have you met someone with Anti-Social Personality disorder.

They're ******* scary.

Claiming that most (or even a large proportion) of people are "psychopath[s] deep in side" flies in the face of our day-to-day experience.

Also not relevant to the conversation unless he has some actual evidence to suggest a correlation* between in game actions and RL self esteem issues.


*at minumum.

Indys are my favorites. They are loot piñatas. For me it's always been about the cargo hold and nothing else. Tears can be a nice bumper bonus though...

Completely relevant. Do you make your own choices? or does someone make them for you? You choose to kill indies or miners. Could be several reasons. Could be your still living in your Mommy and Daddy’s basement at 30 years old and this is all you have to do. Could be you were picked on in school and killing miners and indies makes you feel better. Could be your so bad at pvp that this is the only thing you can do is shoot people that can’t shoot back.

So yes it is relevant. There are reasons for peoples actions and choices. You just have to look. once you identify the problem then you can correct the problem.

Should your problem be that you’re a basement dwelling troll living in your parents basement then fix the problem and move out on your own and make some real life decisions.

…or it could be that you earn a decent amount of cash from it while it presents its own set of challenges.

…if you can provide some evidence to suggest a correlation between in-game actions and RL self-esteem issues. If not, it's about as irrelevant as your sock preference.

Your claim is that actions in a game provide insight into the RL psychological makeup of the person playing them, and more specifically that certain actions in a game are related to RL self esteem problems. There's a heaping pile of [citation needed] there.

What evidence do you have that suggests that In Game actions have any correlation to the RL psychological profile of the player?
When JFK played Diplomacy and screwed his friends* over in game, was he demonstrating that he had low self esteem?**


*If screwing strangers over in a game is an indication of low self esteem, surely screwing your friends over would be a sign of equally low or lower self esteem.

**FYI JFK was not known for having self esteem issues. He was, after all, the President of the United States and probably banging Marilyn Monroe.




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