EVE General Discussion

Ok... why are you trying to link in game activities to the real world and trying to apply real world morality to them?

Your seriously underestimating how expensive the loot is from haulers meandering through lowsec. I killed an auto piloting hauler in lowsec. To you, that makes me a bad person. To me, that makes me 1b ISK richer.

What? That takes the fun out of it.

No one actually loses much time and/or money playing chess (unless you are gambling).

I see ganking as taking away theorectical money from the oponnents.

For arguments sake lets just say Plex is around 500 million isk and that a Charon is 1.5 billion isk (which neither are not) and that in this example somone spent $45 (3 plex's) to buy that Charon. Even if they did not spend the money to the Plex they usually have put forth $45 worth of time and effort to purchase that ship (it takes $15 a month to play after all).

Now let's say that ship is moving down the pipe on autopilot and is empty, but for whatever reason they did this while at war and a bunch of war targets see the target on the gate (or maybe it was a bunch of person's who didn't mind eating the loss to kill it) and sadly the ship goes boom.

Thats $45 dollars of money they spent to buy plex down the drain.

Quite more than taking a pawn in chess. You just took theorectical money out of their pocket.

Now if that doesn't make you feel better about yourself, then I don't know what will.

My corp is relevant, how may I help?

... except that this is not the real world. This is a game. You have yet to explain why you think in game actions carry any RL moral significance. Let alone why we should agree with that notion.

Were JFK and Henry Kissenger sociopaths and psychopaths because of their backstabbing and betrayal in their favorite board game: Diplomacy (a game that involves backstabbing and betrayal)?

Do you really have to ask this question?

Look, pirates and awoxers aren't some bizarre mental patient to study and observe. Their motivations are quite simple and understandable. You just choose to ignore it and instead go looking for alternative motivations.

Pirates do what they do because they're either defending their territory from intruders, they're looking for a fun fight (and yes, PvP is actually fun even against defenseless players), or they think they can make money. Simple huh? They're not psychotic nor deranged. They're not sad little people who have miserable RL situations. They simply like the playstyle that EvE Online has to offer.

Awoxers (and I fall into this category from time to time) do it for a multitude of reasons. They're either trying to profit from it, they're applying to a rival corp who requests it, or the corp treated that member badly and he wants revenge before he leaves. Those are usually the most common reasons. Again they're not deranged psychopaths or have bad things going on in their real lives. This is EvE and it is a cold harsh universe filled with betrayal and backstabbing.

It really is that simple. Your post shows a clear lack of denial to understand the simplicity of their motivations.

It's a game I pay my money/plex for accounts so do you, I operate within the EULA so do you.

I f I shoot a hauler/BC/Rookie Ship/dreadnought etc. then it is simply part of the game.

Accountability starts and stops on tranquility at this time and expanding that to rl would be both wrong and illegal. Even if I was not a pirate I would oppose this and refuse to grant permission for some random person to access my personal details for any reason.

If you want to make a guy who shot your ship accountable form /join a gang and make them accountable on the server.

End of.

The satisfaction of relieving you from your goodies, getting the stuff you farmed for weeks in just a few minutes, and hopefully getting the message across you are not welcome to farm the fields we consider our home. Last time I checked my Mammoth still had a high slot. Indies can shoot back.


Wut?


Emergent gameplay and drama generation? More then in that of the average miner / mission runner, that's for sure!

You're reading into this way too deeply. Pirates shoot haulers because they want "kills", simple as that.

They say they like "causing tears" and that they have some burning desire to destroy and ruin peoples days, but that's just talk. It's for the kills, it's for the killboard.

They want a kill, you are an easy one. Haul your stuff in a Battleship and some of the pussy ones will probably just leave you to it.

Honestly, that sounds like a very very horrible idea. EVE was made for this kind of stuff. It was made for piracy and scams and wars and gatecamps and all that other "evil" stuff.

Everyone is already accountable for what he does because You A) get killmails (so You won't forgett on whom to place Your bounties) and B) some Toons are actually locked out of high sec due to the hit on their sec status for all the atrocities they committed against other players and C) You can kill them back.