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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-02-24 07:10:29 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
And in that scenario, I definitely would call his fault on it, lol. No fittings at all.. wow..

It was his fault in either scenario.
Ignorance of game mechanics, even mechanics such as the Jita gate refusing you access because there are a lot of people in-system, is not an excuse.


If said game mechanics aren't visible unless you know to look for it, happen upon it on accident, or have the situation happen to you, then yeah, ignorance is a bit less their fault and more at the fault of lack of good ways to discover the mechanic before it becomes an issue. I mean say for example the mechanic existed as it does now, yet no one ever ran into it. Who would know about it? That's something you have to think about if you look at something beyond the shortsighted side of things. Because honestly? I don't think anyone would.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#42 - 2013-02-24 07:18:32 UTC
Getting blown up after undocking is always pilot error. Undocking is a pilot error.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-02-24 07:45:20 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:


I'm not sure if I'd Red Frog things from stations only a jump away...


Red frog will do within system from one station to another even. Heck, they'd probably take it from the station, undock, warp to a planet, then back to the very same station, as long as you paid.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-02-24 09:24:23 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
If said game mechanics aren't visible unless you know to look for it, happen upon it on accident, or have the situation happen to you, then yeah, ignorance is a bit less their fault and more at the fault of lack of good ways to discover the mechanic before it becomes an issue.

I guess it's good that none of these are true.

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Kate stark
#45 - 2013-02-24 09:25:15 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:


I'm not sure if I'd Red Frog things from stations only a jump away...


Red frog will do within system from one station to another even. Heck, they'd probably take it from the station, undock, warp to a planet, then back to the very same station, as long as you paid.


last i checked red frog was 1m isk + 500k per jump. which means, undocking, warping to a planet, then docking again would cost you the base 1m.

i could think of other things to spend 1m on, but hey ho.

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Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-02-24 10:48:24 UTC
How did the thread derail in to talking about freight services in about a day? I mean I use Black Frog but really, how?
Kate stark
#47 - 2013-02-24 10:49:51 UTC
Steve Spooner wrote:
How did the thread derail in to talking about freight services in about a day? I mean I use Black Frog but really, how?


because if he'd used a freight service, he wouldn't have been in a badger, stuck on the jita gate.

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Whitehound
#48 - 2013-02-24 13:25:27 UTC
Who flies around in a T1 hauler during a war?! If you really have to take such risks then dock up as soon as you see WTs in local. Do not wait at the Jita gate like a school boy in front of a locked toilet whose bladder is about to explode.

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Hazzard
Chaotic Dynamics
#49 - 2013-02-24 14:16:08 UTC
lol. An enjoyable tale except the ending was foreshadowed as soon as you mentioned loading a Badger with that amount of money. Maybe next time have the badger get away because of server lag, would make a more enjoyable ending.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#50 - 2013-02-24 14:24:10 UTC
(Posting after seeing Badger fit on page 1...)

...sigh.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#51 - 2013-02-24 14:47:29 UTC
Steve Spooner wrote:
How did the thread derail in to talking about freight services in about a day? I mean I use Black Frog but really, how?



Because it is perfectly possible to do all the trading you ever want without ever setting a foot into Jita?

Freight Services to get your stuff there (and you don´t even need Red Frog Freight, just spit your stuff into smaller stacks and courier contract them individually, they would get picked up within minutes for a simple 1-jump transport) and the appropriate trading skills to remote trade your stuff.

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Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-02-24 14:53:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Steve Spooner wrote:
I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

Jeez people, keep it short and civil.

To clarify: My corp participates in faction warfare as Caldari state protecterate. Jita and the entirety of The Forge is Caldari space, and in comes a Minmatar pilot in a catalyst dealing ~400 dps. I did try to warp off when I saw that the gates were closed but he locked me down before I could warp because I'm in a BADGER. The corporation I am in has no active war declarations. I am not talking about the state of the game or the fact that I was blown up, I'm talking about the METHOD in which I was blown up. This isn't like low/null sec where you can scout things out and scan down the system for bubbles, it is a single choke point that closes and opens at a whim with no reliable way of activation without the "Jita gates are closed" etc etc message.

Oh also, it's my fault that Jita gates were closed? Really? Tell me how.

And it's people like you that can't figure out where the other race's trade hubs are that cause this problem. I have never had a problem getting into amarr, rens or dodixie. Try it some time.

Nerath Naaris wrote:
Steve Spooner wrote:
How did the thread derail in to talking about freight services in about a day? I mean I use Black Frog but really, how?



Because it is perfectly possible to do all the trading you ever want without ever setting a foot into Jita?

Freight Services to get your stuff there (and you don´t even need Red Frog Freight, just spit your stuff into smaller stacks and courier contract them individually, they would get picked up within minutes for a simple 1-jump transport) and the appropriate trading skills to remote trade your stuff.

Why can't the OP have more common sense like this guy?
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#53 - 2013-02-24 14:56:54 UTC
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So, basically you can't blame CCP for your losses. They warned you that this could happen and hopefully it doesn't "interfere with your enjoyment of the game."

KB

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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#54 - 2013-02-24 15:01:59 UTC
I think Legitimate Game Mechanics would be a really good corp name.

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#55 - 2013-02-24 15:08:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
Just ask E-UNI to lend you some cash their pockets overflow with RMT proceeds. Twisted

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-02-24 16:27:57 UTC
Trying to go through Jita or the systems around it with the expectation that no one will try to gank you is like suicide ganking with the expectation that CONCORD won't kill you.

If you ever looked at the map and pulled up the ship/pod kill statistics you will see that Jita and it's surrounding systems have more ships and pods killed than ANYWHERE ELSE in New Eden.

Jita is never safe, the systems around Jita are never safe. There are always people ready to jump on clueless folk like you.

Stop whining and use this as a lesson, plan your routes ahead, stay alert, and stay away from Jita.

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Bane Veradun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-02-24 16:37:12 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Jita has been locked down for days, why didn't you try to go around, or just not go?


Really? I got in three times without issue.

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Hurtini Hilitari
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-02-24 16:37:17 UTC
Why would you even put 350 mil worth of stuff in a badger in the first place? Even if you were in an NPC corp that would be a dumb idea.

Also, don't fly what you can't afford to lose, anywhere, ever.

It's your fault you are getting upset about what you did. Maybe don't do it again Cool
Dark Long
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-02-24 16:41:09 UTC
ok let me get this right your flying a Bager with 350mil in cargo.

are in fw and go to the busyest system in game without a scout hit a gate the is more or less not letting people in becasue so many people are trying to get in its like rush hour on on the 305 in caly and not moveing and you think its ccp fault you lost your ship becuase you did not do what was needed to check the route to make sure you could get though it ahahah.

Sorry buddy you had every open shot at getting there safe and you did nothing to make sure that happen your loss do to you're own failt not ccp's.

Jita is gank central and you fly something that more or less a egg shell with a warp drive ahahahahah. MORON.

Ccp cant fix dumb people.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-02-24 17:06:08 UTC
He then... shortly after that.

Lost his pod on the soba gate to Jita.

A donkey only hits his head once... this guy hit it twice.

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