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callmom
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2013-02-23 19:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: callmom
im in the middle of building my machine up and require a budget graph card for upto £50ish to dual box on eve for a while.

will upgrade it in a few months or maybe sli it if its capable.

am building my system upto 32gb ram quad core bulldozer amd processor and will use a ssd when its nearly finished

and im using a msi 970-g46 mobo.

any ideas on what card will be best for me for this budget
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#2 - 2013-02-23 20:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
50 GBP is not a lot of cash for a video card, and even a little bit of extra cash for the budget would increase the performance you get radically.
Trying SLI//Crossfire with weaker video cards can become a frustrating affair, you'd better just get a different much better single card later on instead.

Best card you can hope for that fits the 50 GBP budget would be a 1GB GDDR5 Radeon HD 6670.
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-asus-hd-6670-4000mhz-gddr5-gpu-810mhz-480-stream-processors-displayport-dvi-i-hdmi
It should be able to run two EVE clients at pretty high graphic detail level in FullHD resolution at close to 50 FPS while hangar ship-spinning.

P.S. That is, unless you insist on NVIDIA ?
In that case, best thing you can buy for 50 GBP or less would be a GT 630, which should only be able to get you ~35 FPS under similar circumstances.
callmom
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-02-23 20:14:28 UTC
its only really as a stop gap as i would prefer to put all the ram in and processor before i go spending a lot on a gfx card im not bothered either way nvidia or amd
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-02-23 20:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
6770 = 5770

I'm acutely aware of this, because I purchased a 5770 as 6770s were released, and enjoyed an atypical 2-generation life cycle out of the same card.

don't use HD6xxx series. go higher or lower. I would send you my used 5770 for free, but shipping across the atlantic is murder

don't buy used--the risk is too high they've been overclocked.
bad part of finding them new, is Apple has hoarded them for their current Mac Pro.

5770 runs three clients just fine

//**note: to utilize the third monitor on 5xxx and 6xxx gen eyefinity, you'll need a rather expensive -powered- active adapter with the USB for power... such as this Sapphire active displayport adapter. they're around $100 USD, and a difficult purchase when you wish the much cheaper unpowered adapters would work.

if you're only trying to push one monitor for the time being, you could go ATI 4xxx series or NVIDIA 4xx series-- anything with 1GB. those are $30 USD

but if you find a 5770, you can dual box stock, and you won't need to upgrade it later for just 2 clients
callmom
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2013-02-23 20:32:22 UTC
ok will have a look unless there is something u can think of for below the £100 mark that i could use and keep that i wont want to upgrade once ive finished the machine.

only reason i asked about budget cards is because my previous one has just gone pop and im having to use a realy old 8600gt that i dug out of the cupboard just tp get me by for now.

im currently running 12gb ram and a athlon x2 215 oc to 3.3mhz

and was looking to finish my ram and processor off first but if there is a good graph card for upto £100 i would do that first.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-02-23 20:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
5770.. will allow you to avoid a necessary upgrade in the near future. as long as it's just 2 clients

available in the US for $125, which is just shy of your £100 mark
callmom
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2013-02-23 20:36:14 UTC
i only run 2 clients may go to 3 if im doing some mining but thats all. so long as i can run 2 on my 2 monitors im fine with that
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-02-23 20:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
lemme see if... what the shipping is like from here to you.

last time i offered to ship something to europe, shipping was $200, so don't get your hopes up, but i'm serious about offering my card free.

this is the specific one i have

blah. yeah still basically the same cost as buying one new.

find a Radeon 4000 series with 1 gig, or a Nvidia 400 series with 1 gig, and that should be good for now... cheap, dependable for the time being. pretty sure both offer dual monitor support
callmom
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2013-02-23 20:52:11 UTC
what about this http://www.ebuyer.com/397565-evga-gtx-650-sc-edition-1024mb-ddr5-dvi-mini-hdmi-pci-e-graphics-01g-p4-2652-kr

thanks for the offer but probably easier if i was more local to you r for your offer.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-02-23 21:01:36 UTC
yeah that's a little more than stopgap but it comes with assassin's creed III!

(I've been meaning to get my hands on an activation code for that game.)
callmom
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-02-23 21:06:13 UTC
yea as a bonus but would probably never play it lol. as said i can either go for a stop gap and finish building my machine or i can spend upto 10o ish gbp on one now so may spend a bit more and not have to swop out for a while. the one i linked should last me a while i think.

im a bit crap when it comes to knowing whats any good with pcs its been years since i last built one so its like learning all over agen whats good and whats not.

took me long enuff with the mobo only got that as a mate said its a good base board. then got myself a cooler master case and a ocz 550w fatality psu
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#12 - 2013-02-23 21:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
callmom wrote:
what about this evga gtx 650 sc

A stock version should theoretically be able to easily run 3 simultaneous clients at around 60 FPS each, at the same settings listed before for the other cards (those that could only do 2 of them at 50 or even just 35), and that one might do a tiny bit better since it's a lightly factory-overclocked version.
It can also drive 3 monitors at the same time, just note that you might possibly need some cable adapters, depending on the card output types and your monitor cable types.
However, I am a bit concerned about it having just 1GB of RAM if you plan to go with high texture detail for 3 clients on two or more FullHD monitors - in that case, you might need to scale down texture detail and/or resolution a bit in order to not get the occasional "also using system RAM for buffering" stutters.

P.S.

In comparison, the Radeon HD 5770 // 6670 should be able to pull roughly 55 FPS out of 3 simultaneous clients under said circumstances, so very close to what a GTX 650 can do.
Power-wise, stock version HD 5770 needs 108 W, while a stock version GTX 650 only needs 64 W (but that exact one you linked probably draws closer to 75 W, possibly even more than 80 W, due to the factory overclock).

If you can find one for sale for noticeably less cash though, and you don't mind the extra power drain then sure, why not, just go for it.
Personally I'd go with a stock GTX 650 (but one that has active cooling, not just a heatsink) if the prices are fairly close.
Zuroku Podiene
Blood Raven Syndicate
#13 - 2013-02-23 21:18:29 UTC
I am using the 6770 right now actually, and it dualboxes fine on max settings. Pretty good on the bang for the buck imo.
callmom
u.k militia forces
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-02-23 21:25:48 UTC
im aware on possibly needing adapters i will only ever be running 2 monitors i think unless i can convince the misses that 3 will look nice on my desk in the living room :)

i only ever normally run 2 clients max as said if i do run 3 it will only be for mining so not too bothered if i have to trun detail down just dont want it too run slow because the gpu isnt powerful enuff.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-02-23 21:47:12 UTC
if you end up acquiring that Assassin's Creed III download code, I'd give you $30 USD for it... do you have paypal :-D
kerradeph
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-23 22:16:51 UTC
plus, that 650 could be put into crossfire when you upgrade, or just leave it for extra physx processing power. the motherboard you are looking at does have 2 video card slots, but I'm not really up to date on ATI chipsets so I don't know what kind of throughput you could expect out of that.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-02-23 22:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
kerradeph wrote:
plus, that 650 could be put into crossfire when you upgrade, or just leave it for extra physx processing power. the motherboard you are looking at does have 2 video card slots, but I'm not really up to date on ATI chipsets so I don't know what kind of throughput you could expect out of that.

650 does not do crossfire.

The board is a little weird. It says Yes for SLI support and Yes for Crossfire support. And a note at the bottom:
Quote:
The Specification may change without notice. The actual products sold are different from areas. Please check the detailed Specification with your local dealers.

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/970A-G46.html#?div=Basic

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-02-24 05:43:27 UTC
Reiisha
#19 - 2013-02-24 13:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Reiisha
Rain6637 wrote:
//**note: to utilize the third monitor on 5xxx and 6xxx gen eyefinity, you'll need a rather expensive -powered- active adapter with the USB for power... such as this Sapphire active displayport adapter. they're around $100 USD, and a difficult purchase when you wish the much cheaper unpowered adapters would work.


You got ripped off my friend. Check here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814999030
Also, while they're active, they don't need seperate power - They work just fine on the displayport on the card, no usb needed. Who sold you that thing? That might be one of the very first active adapters sold or something 0-o

If you want a triple monitor setup without adapters you'll want a geforce 600 series... Only cards that can do that at the moment without going SLI.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...