EVE General Discussion

There are a few major flaws in your plan.

Most high sec "industrialists" avoid combat completely. Also, a great majority of them avoid other players like the plague. The ones who aren't completely anti-social only group and associate with others just like them.


You're trying to corral a bunch of mice to rise up against a pack of lions. Good luck with that.

I think I'll stick with the New Order and make ships for them. They go through them at a steady pace.

So OP, screw your proposed alliance! This industrialist is sticking with the New Order.

Not really, part of my point was that you don't need organization.... just individuals taking it upon themselves to go bump miners, it doesn't matter if they are taking ransoms for only themselves, or on behalf of a larger group.

If paying James 315 to avoid bumping fails to stop the bumping, then James's claim to high sec is effectively contested.

I think I'll go to Brap right now and bump some people.

Thats fine, I have no issue with that.

What I don't like is that these tards are paying ransoms, and like them, I agree that this James 315 lead group is a bit annoying and too preachy.

So, I'm not taking issue with your goals, merely the statements being made, ie a claim of ownership with an annoying delivery.

I came close to reading this.. Very close.

This isn't applicable in the context of EVE. There is no "society" in EVE that funds wars through taxation that is then given to special interests.

EVE is a game with an economy that is entirely built around the destruction of goods. You can't break it down into individual goods as you did with PoS fuel, because it doesn't work that way. Especially when you consider that a PoS is used in some form in the assitance of manufacturing in EVE.

If things blow up, you have things to replace; the more things you have to replace the more money you can make. It may not help you as someone who isn't producing and selling, but everyone that is is benefiting from that destruction.

Nor is that theory even entirely correct in an industrialized society. WW2 did indeed benefit the US as a whole, economically. It created jobs, a shitload of jobs. It helped to end the remaining economic effects of the great depression. The US was economically stronger coming out of WW2 then it was going into it.


Even when there are interdictions in the form of miner ganking, it doesn't just benefit the special interests of null (Tech suppliers) it also benefits everyone that builds whatever is needed to mine, because EVE is entirely designed around things getting blown up.

Not blowing things up in EVE is the worst thing that can happen.

That theory when it was devised had far more to do with the condemning of special interests and government economic practice then it did with anything else. It was written entirely to illustrate, and make aware, that the practive of taxing and subsidizing for the purpose of war benefits only individual special interests.

When the window breaks on it's own, it's good, because it provides a job and therefore income for soemone, and that's more the way that EVE works then anything else. We may blow stuff up intentional, but due to the way the economy here works, it's more like unintentionally on purpose. Because things are supposed to get blown up.


It's also interesting to me.
That theory is actually something that applies directly to me, in my real life. It's used to suppress public art, what you would call graphitti. Just like that theory is applied to special interests, if you're an artist you understand that art is also controlled by special interests and these sort of theories are intended to benefit those interests, today.

They use that theory today to say that graphitti will lead to crime and a degradation of property and the community.
In the mean time I can't move 10 feet without being sodomized by someone elses art, what you would call advertising.

The theory isn't applied today in the same way it was 150+ years ago.

F! There's way more ganks than bumps, tank your ship! You're not making that much off ice anyway, screw yield. If you cared abou moret yield and more ISK, you would have stopped mining ice by now. When you got a mack with something a lot closer to 30k EHP than 13k EHP, then you've got a decent tank. Or get a skiff and never worry about ganks at all.

Bumping is cheaper, but it's way less effective. They don't keep it up for very long, no one loses a ship worth hundreds of millions of ISK, you don't have to worry about someone suddenly landing on you at any time (you can AFK while being bumped and you only lose ISK, not a whole ship).

If you're really that worried about bumping, get a skiff with an afterburner. Not much point bumping someone who can zip back at 700 m/s.


But, hey, I know where you're coming from. You come back after watching a movie and find someone bumped you 20 minutes ago...man, that sucks. The part about the movie, that is.

Mine in a 0.8 or greater system. You've just beaten the New Order.

Has OP even responded after 3 pages? Either we're being trolled or OP got the message by now...

I guess when someone uses an alt to talk to another of it's alts is a symptom of schizophrenia? (not naming James315 of course)