Wormholes

Oops sorry.

Although, to be honest, the information has already been out there for years. You can't force people to not be ignorant.

Once again information is power :) You have to love EVE :)

Too pretentious, didn't read.

As I see things there really isn't a point in trolling anymore.

I will say this though.

When 20 of 40 people in a corporation have access to the starbase configuration role, and you have several billions of ISK up for grabs in a hole with a highsec static, what happened the other night was an inevitability. It just so happened it went to us (it couldn't have gone to a nicer group of people.)

Smacking beagle down a peg or two was a nice bonus as he is a complete assclown, but I'm feeling for Rover. He's the tragic figure in all of this. He's a good guy and I'm sure he's feeling really guilty about this and feeling like he let his guys down. If he could afford to reimburse all his people for their loses I'm sure he would without a second thought, and I'm sure that's the kind of leader many of you would want to see as a CEO.

People are going to rag on you for giving roles like that to someone who was in corp for a month, but the reality is you have to pick who to trust in this game. A year ago I had 30 billion stolen from corp by a director who I had known and worked with for over 3 years. It is what it is. You can't build anything worth tearing down without giving someone, somewhere, the tools they need to do it. It's a risk you have to accept. I'm pretty certain none of the major wormhole corps or alliances have gone without their share of big thefts, they just weren't necessarily so publicly pointed out.

Part of why POS changes are receiving so much support from the wormhole community is because the security and privilege issues are confusing, overlap in funny ways, and in some cases are just plain silly. Wormhole corp theft became a sport years ago as a result, and is largely responsible for why there are so many empty wormholes, corps that are afraid to recruit opting instead to join alliances to bolster their numbers, and the increasing reliance of WH corps on nullsec to get their pvp. It's also part of the reason something like incursions can so easily steal large parts of the player base away if the rewards are even close to the ones we can get by opting for something riskier.

POSes and the knowledge of how to minimize risk of theft has become a high barrier to entry to wormhole space. Is that a good or a bad thing? As the other night showed, that depends on your point of view.

This is one of those times where I get to say, "not my department."

You don't know him. He is. That's one of the reasons I want to fly with him.

This is probobly the smartist most fair an petty hate free statment I have read on this thread, I know rover is probobly emptying the corp wallet and his personal wallet in order to try an give a token payment to his corp mates , he may have his faults but loyalty to his corp isnt one of them.

dont forget what happened here when the big corps start to ***** that there arnt enough ppl in wh space , you just removed an entier corp and assets.

it dosnt seem right to say on one hand "we need to encourge more ppl in to wh space" then with the next breath be removing a corp that was trying to grow.

To be quite honest the "power players," or the ones who would like to see more people in WHs, care more about c5s and c6s than c4-c1. While all WH pvp is fun, the majority of lower class WH residents usually dont come out to play. There are a few exceptions now and then, but the great majority of people in lower class holes tend to pos or safe up the instant probes go on D-scan and never come out.

Carla put is best. There isn't a single entity out there that hasnt had a major theft or some kind of theft or spy work done on them. We can put forward the best security, produce the best people, bring some of the best PVP, but at the end of the day if someone decides they want to **** you, they are going to **** you.

I personally blame the walls of OP that are t3's, archons, bhaalgorns and blap dreads for that.

As it stands most people that roam null would much rather go p!ss in a bunch of null bears cheerios than bang their heads against a wall of OP t3's. (I know I said this somewhere else here but I love repeating myself)

Thieves just make it harder for more people to get in on the fun. And by fun I don't mean boring t3 balls. Garbage programing and antiquated code is just typical CCP.

@Sorany
I will not claim that INSID had a standing chance of fighting an eviction, however our kb shows that in that last month we have put up a fight to whoever we met. So please do not claim that we didn't want to fight. In fact I lost more isk in PVP than in the heist (due to me being paranoid and logging off the goodies).

What is done is done (HK will not give back anything ;) ), and the discussion is moving up towards providing good fights in WHs and especially lower level Cs.

I have pointed out, in other circumstances, to the fact that the forums are not including the most part of WH (and general) community. Here we are mostly corps that PVP in WH, but the shear number of occupied holes show that extensive PVE is being done by other parties. We are providing content for ourselves when we meet, and rarely interact with the others that pos up at first sight.
Maybe we could think at something to change this.





Later edit: When I say do something I do not mean kill and evict everybody. Bring them into the community, teach them new ways ... be creative.