Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is just a small idea regarding Battleship Rebalanding.
Most Battleships are alreay pretty good while some do show some problems.

These are just some minor changes.
Almost all Battleships have a 19-slot layout with the exception of the Scorpion and the Dominix, which have 18

The most problematic Battleships are:
*Dominix
*Hyperion
*Scorpion
*Typhoon

Dominix;
Very poor powergrid so one of its bonusses is very hard to use. It's Drone Bonus makes it strong but its second bonus is mostly wasted.

Hyperion:
Damage and Repair Bonus are hard to fit at the same time. With the new updates to Armor tanking this might have changed but it still shows a lack of focus.

Scorpion:
Its a great PVP EW-Battleship but basically useless outside this role. While its shieldtank is great, it lacks any PVE uses.

Typhoon:
Split damage types, needs very high skills but can be very good. Fastest Standard Battleship in game.


One other ships might needs some tweeks:
Raven.



Scorpion
This ship is basically a PVP E-War Ship. No use in PVE. Since CCP probably wants to keep this ship in this role, no redesign ideas.

Could use an extra low-slot, since it has 18 slots instead of 19. Would provide added PVP survivability.
Perhaps change layout of the High SLots to Missile slots 6 / Gun Slots 4;
This would give starting players a very forgiving "Starter Battleship" with a strong tank while still being easily surpassed by the raven in the DPS field.


Dominix
Very strong Drone Battleship but its second bonus, Damage to Large Hybrids, is mostly wasted.
It significantly lacks Powergrid

Has 18 instead of 19 Slots so can use one slot. Preferred a Medium/Low Slot.

Could use a Powergrip Upgrade (2000-3000+) to make use of the Gun Hybrid Damage Bonus.

Or change for the Gun Bonus to a more usefull bonus, like for example; 5% Remote Sensor Dampener Effectiveness.



Hyperion
Damage and Repair Bonus but slow and unwieldy.

The premier Blastership for the Gallente is the Megathron with its tracking and damage bonus

As the Gallente could use a Dedicated Sniper, the Hyperion should be usefull in this role.
Could use a 10% Falloff Bonus or Optimal Bonus instead of its damage bonus in order to change it into a sniper boat.

If CCP wants to set it up as a Blasterboat, they have to increase its base speed significantly.
But since the Megathron is the more potent brawler due to the double damage bonus, this is not very usefull.


Typhoon
Very Split weapon system; Drones, Guns, Missiles
This ship needs a single focus, missiles preferred as Minmatar already have 2 gun Battleships.

My proposed Change is a double missile bonus:
+5% Damage Bonus to missiles
+5% Rate of Fire Bonus to missiles

1 Extra Missile Slot in the Hights, so it will have 6 Missile Slots.

This will keep the Raven the Superior Missile Sniper but will make the Typhoon the Superior Missile Brawler.

Reduce the Base Targeting Range if needed.



Raven
A last change that might be needed is to the Raven.
It has 2 High slots which are unused for anything in the sniper role and it is fagile in the brawler role.

Perhaps change one of its high slots to a Medium Slot for added tank.

This is controversial as it might make the Raven too good.
This is just an idea I like to add to the discussion.

Most players opt for the Raven Navy issue for its added Missile Slot; this outdamages the standard raven significantly.

Thank you for your feedback.

The reason I have no comments on Amarrian Battleships is that I never flew one.
I flew; Raven, Rokh, Scorpion, Typhoon, Tempest, Maelstrom, Megathron, Dominix.

Perhaps you can give some feedback on Amarr Battleships.
Like what are their weaknesses?

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The Typhoon idea is to remove the different weapon combo as was done with the Cyclone.
And a pure Drone/Missile Typhoon would be quite interesting.
I have flown it in the Missile and Gun varieties but I prefer the Missile variety, supported with drone power.
And since Minmatar has 2 gunships, if the rebalancing comes, a missileboat would be welcome for the Minmatar.

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Regards, Meghel

I don't fly amarr but most of my corp does/can and they say that amarr BS are just terribly slow. They have tons of HP but are very slow and liable to be kited by even other BS. Their weapons are also not so good as they consume cap often needed for other things. I personally would never fly an amarr BS unless I had logi support with cap transfer.

Other things of note are laser weapons terrible tracking and suspect range. Others may wish to correct me on this but while I can fly amarr BS myself I haven't trained lasers past t1 as they're so horrible. The issues with lasers as a weapon type and amarr ships being so slow was a major complaint and part of what led to the goons manipulating FW between minmatar and amarr so easily as minmatar ships could plex while afk without a problem while amarr ships were practically useless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battleship

Your link to wikipedia doesn't really do BS's justice. It almost flat out states that BS's were an over-investment of materials and never earnt their money back, especially compared to U-boats and small aircraft.

Battleships in EVE would benefit not from getting stronger or having more powerful guns, they would benefit from being extremely long range and having AoE effects on all surrounding ships. Buffing allies and debuffing enemy vessels. Battleships may not be dreadnoughts but with dread-drops being so effective I'm forced to wonder why the BS even exists if it can't compete or even have their own niche?

Indeed, they are slow.
But they do not have the slowest base speed; that are Caldari ships.


But as those Caldari ships are mostly shield tanked, they are not weigned down by Armor Plates.
I think that is the biggest problem for Amarr so I will see what the Armor-Updates of the last Patch do.


I put the entire overview in a spreadsheet (Speeds, PG, CPU, Hi slots, Hi-slot layout, Medium Slots, Low Slots, Drone Bay/Bandwith and Bonusses and the 4 ships I talked about in the beginning are the ones which in my opinion are the most in need of a change/rebalance

I can fly Amarr Battleships on my alt (I prefer a tengu for the mixed damage types), so I will make the investment and try out an Apocalypse and an Armageddon. Abaddon is a bit expensive but perhaps someone else can also make a contribution to this thread.


Cap consumation is also a problem for Gallente and Caldari with their Railguns.
Only Missiles and Projectile weapons do not cost cap.


Edit:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2653039#post2653039
It seems Amarr ships wont have much changes as they are in good shape already.

It is good to hear this constructive feedback regarding Amarr Battleships.


As I linked here already in an edit (sorry about reposting)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2653039#post2653039

Probably Amarr ships will have some minor updates but probably none will be changed to a Drone Boat.

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That leaves us with only the other 3 races to rebalance