Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1. If you don't have an actual feature or idea to discuss, post somewhere else. If you just want to whine/vent, post in general discussion.

2. Yes. CCP are the God in EVE. They act withing reason and take our views to consideration, but there is nothing besides themselves, that can limit what they'll do.

2. The current ships are equal only in the sense, that none of them are clearly worse then the rest. If anything the changes have made EVE less boring, since people are again starting to use more then 1 or 2 ships per ship class and small cheap ships are very capable again.

Agreed.
a) What's the point of buying ships if they are completely worthless.
I'd prefer that out of the 24 T1 frigates only one was actually even remotely useful.
I'd prefer that T2 would be better in every conceivable way than T1 frigates.
I'd prefer to have only 2 out of 16 T1 cruisers actually usuable, and so weak that you'd run away if you see anything that looked like a T2 ship on d-scan.
I'd prefer Blasters remain useless
I'd prefer being able to project massive damage at 100km with my HMLs, while everybody else has difficulty even fitting their long range weaponry, let alone have tracking, and generally less than 25% of that range.
I'd prefer having the only Dreadnaught that can easily take on 2 of any other race in a brawl, and emerge victories.

Changes to working system are so hippy!


Agreed. I'd much prefer the OP Cane with sick speeds, 2 utility highs for good neuts, ability to fit 720mm arties and still keep the rest without any fitting mods, a still decent tank and whopping DPS over something that just doesn't completely and utterly dominate. Why would anyone possibly want to fly a Prophecy, much better if everybody flies the same ship or not be competive



Agreed, no other game producer has actually listened to the community so well, and made a bridge (CSM) to actually communicate with them about issues. No other game producer has worked so hard to constantly improve the game experience, and make all ships useful to fly.



Can I have your stuff before you leave?

@OP:

A.) Equivelent in "power" does not mean equivalent application... Each BC now offers a somewhat unique layout.... and the different flavors make for an interesting Rochambeau game....

B.) If you are whining because you now have 20 viable ships to fly instead of 5 viable ships to fly.... that's just sad.... if that's your complaint, then STFU and go away...

3.) The Cane and Drake were OP compared to the old BC's... the new changes bring them in line, but they are still potent and capable ships.... You can still fly them and use them... HTFU...

I dunno cane was mostly fine as it was IMO aside from a few fringe cases i.e. being able to fit 425s on some fits when it should have been restricted to 220s max in that respective fit. The other BCs are now for the most part perfectly balanced IMO but it wouldn't have changed that if the cane was mostly left as it was. I think somewhere along the lines a dev's fear of power creep has clouded their judgement when it came to the cane and they've gone over the top on cutting it back.

Same with the drake to an extent aside from the missile changes which IMO were probably needed there wasn't really any need to change anything else on it the last lot of changes to it had already pretty much brought it inline just needed a little more tweaking on the missile capabilities and that was it.


These changes on their own don't really bother me one way or another too much as I don't really fly either of those ships what does concern me is its becoming a bit of a trend with Eve progress lately.

all great arguments and i agreed already in another post that this tuning in a greater sense is a good thing.

but lets be honest other ships are not worthless and some of them are also laid out for pve and such.

and again... (im sure this wont be the last time i have to repeat this) the nerf is a fair thing just that had it not happened no one would have complained and:
if you somewhat role play eve now all the things just magicly change.....does somehow feel a bit.... weird.... especially if they just loose a fitting slot.....

anyway the op explains exactly why the changes feel weird in a rpg sense so i will not further defend it in here just wanted ccp to know.

CCP is not god of eve, but they do at least do a lot to stick with the community's demands. This is quite an ungodly (no pun intended) undertaking as it is quite impossible to please everybody.

I think we should keep in mind that there aren't that many BCs in general, compared to, say, the frigate bracket. Hurricane is quite FOTM because of its two bonuses and of course all other features. When a ship is used for just about everything whereas others not, then there has to be something done. Even if it is not some rule, I think we can agree that EVE is only awesome because of the diversitiy of ships. But thus said, no ship (or player's choice of ship) should be undermined due to another ship's extreme advantages.

Just something one could keep in mind. I'm not sure if it is that is the current reality though.

I must say though, the harmony was somewhat disturbed by the tier3 BCs.

the hurricane nerf isnt really that bad compared to cyclone.cyclone just sucks balls.and yes i have maximum skills in missiles including support and yet i can say,hams suck BALLS.

No me first ! If you don't agree let's set this at the sunset !! *throws glove at his face*


Op:

You want "I win" easy buttons, most players just like me want balance. I can fly all of them, BC V yada ya, I'm more than happy now I'll be able to pick a different ship for whatever purpose instead of everything with a single one because all others suck.

Cane got a buff, not to the ship it self but for players using it now for years, time to prove you got some skill with or gtfo.

Drake is another ship some guys are crying about because with little skills you could make it work, now you need good skills and on top you get a real good fckin ship !!

So many ships are now awesome to fly independently of their racial tanking type (BRUTIX yer naabs!! Brutix !!), this is good for players, this is good for the game on the long run.

God is typically thought of as the creator. CCP created eve. Therefore the OP is wrong. CCP is the god of eve.

CCP play Jove, so in lore, they are LITERALLY the gods of ew eden, just an FYI, being the devs with explicit be-all-end-all in developmental decisions doesnt hurt either,.