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I know that AFK hauling (even in HighSec) is bad, but...

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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-02-23 02:21:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vortexo VonBrenner
Lady Naween wrote:
Rizon Nihilon wrote:
(when I got suicide ganked twice with 2 expensive loads)


the magic words. If you are afk, dont fly with anything expensive. do more trips instead, you are afk so time doesnt matter right? only time i fly afk in my charon is when it only has like 200 mill or so. then i reaaaaaally cant be arsed to manually pilot from goinard to jita. and that is a freighter so it has way more EHP then a t1 industrial.

am I paranoid? Yupp, but i ganked enough haulers to know how easy they pop after all ^^


^^^^

Your best defense is simply not to go afk and not to carry expensive loads...sorry.

Niarja is a "choke point" system on the crowded route to the Amarr trade hub. Udema is one on the route to the Jita trade hub.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#22 - 2013-02-23 08:51:40 UTC
Rizon Nihilon wrote:
Perhaps with both these factors combined I would be relatively safe hauling in high-sec? As long as I stayed below... 100 million ISK loads? Question

Look at the math presented earlier in the thread. To be somewhat safe in a max buffer tanked T1 hauler, I'd stay below those 60m.

The general figure I remember reading as the maximum for a T1 hauler when I started 2 years ago was 100m. Dessies, cruisers and bcs have been buffed since then, T1 haulers haven't changed (yet). So it will definitely be below those 100m.

Off peak hours I consider good for hauling expensive stuff are 8-11 EVE time on week days. Most of US tz should be asleep and EU tz is either at work or at school/university etc. Blink.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-02-23 09:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Rizon Nihilon wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
This. Hauling is even worse then mining in terms of excitement. Thats why I let Red Frog do it while I do other more exciting stuff.


I doubt many professional haulers are pretending to do so for the sheer thrill of it all. But it doesn't seem the worst way to earn enough ISK to pay for a PLEX.


I never said that Red Frog is doing it for the thrill. But they are specialized in it and while they do what they do best, I'm having fun.

EDIT:

And who says they are doing it to grind ISK for a PLEX. Maybe they just do it so they have some extra spare change to spent or maybe because they just like to offer the service to other people.

You do know that not everybody in EVE is grinding ISK to PLEX their account(s).

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-02-23 09:35:30 UTC
Rizon Nihilon wrote:

I doubt many professional haulers are pretending to do so for the sheer thrill of it all. But it doesn't seem the worst way to earn enough ISK to pay for a PLEX.


Playing to grind plex is indentured servitude. You`re choosing to work for pennies and hour. Don`t do it. Pay with money.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-02-23 10:41:07 UTC
Also, if you want to avoid being ganked on your AFK trips, you probably shouldn't advertise them on the forums.




But seriously, just pay Red Frog the scraps and do something worthwhile instead.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.

Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-02-23 12:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
hi-sec hauling is something to do while your favourite show is on...

Just find something else to do, and click the yellow gate every minute or two. Simply manually piloting reduces your exposure a lot. The next-best measure is to stay below a single-tornado-gank threshold in terms of profit. This can be as high as 400m, thanks to loot destruction, not everyone will take the risk. Then your only potential problems will come from organised groups. Again though, it has to be worth the time/effort/ships/possible loot destruction to gank you.


So in short, the best possible way to protect your ship from suicide ganking is to think like a ganker. Figure out the best and cheapest way to alpha your hauler, and use that as a baseline.

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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#27 - 2013-02-24 03:02:26 UTC

Name your ship "Bait"

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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#28 - 2013-02-25 17:24:36 UTC
Also, try a "hands on" trip over 26 jumps and then autopilot back empty with the same setup.

Time both runs and compare.

Then decide if it is worth the risk being ganked while slowboating the 15km to a gate.
Niveuss Nye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-02-25 17:45:02 UTC
Bad idea....

If you "must" go AFK say for needing to tab out to another client to handle something pressing, at least be there for the last 3 jumps into whatever market system you happen to be going to.

People who prefer the ganking playstyle tend to hang out at bottlenecks on the entrance to hubs like Jita in Perimeter and outside the stations themselves. There also, at least on my end, tends to be a delay in docking when tabbed out to another client.

Oh yeah, and I should not have to tell you if you are AFK in some low sec system, you are a kill mail waiting to happen.
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