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'Squirrel Fishing' needs to be banned!
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#81 - 2013-02-22 16:40:52 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:
For those of you who don't know, squirrel fishing is using a cyno and a sling bubble to trap pilots who go to investigate the situation. What is becoming alarmingly out of control is using this next to a deathstar pos with hundreds of abandoned drones at the edge of the sling bubble. So if being dragged through the pos shield wasnt enough, the drones will decloak you. Effectively creating a trap that can not be countered. What makes things even worse is they use this very pos as a midpoint for their jump freighters.

So, in order to stop their effort free logistics we warp cyno dictors to the cynos to catch the jump freighters only to find out it is nothing but that stupid bait cyno. Another issue is they runs the bait cyno for hours and hours, day after day. So much that eventually no one bothers to check it out anymore. So their jump freighters are even more safe because everyone assumes the cyno for the jump freighter is bait.

Something needs to be done.


Where do I sign up to become "Member FDIC"? This corp needs some attention...

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#82 - 2013-02-22 16:41:36 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Stegas Tyrano wrote:
Is this not a good example of emergent gameplay?


It is a good example of gameplay that emerged years ago and which any competent cloaky pilot knows of and easily avoids. Cloakies stopped warping directly to cynos in like 2007.



Apparently not...

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FDIC Agent
Doomheim
#83 - 2013-02-22 17:21:59 UTC
Here is the point all of you keep missing. If we don't warp directly to the cyno, we will miss tackling the jump freighter. Even if we warp to a planet or safe spot near the cyno to make sure it is not a trap, by the time we find out it IS the jump freighter and then warp to the cyno, it will have safely warped off into the shield. Cry

We tried to use a nullified cloaking tech 3 ship to investigate, but that guy decided to take matters into his own hand and try and snipe the bait ship. Unfortunately, he lost the Tengu to the POS before his missiles hit the bait cyno ship.

The only course of action that we could do to put a stop to this was reinforce the tower and later kill it completely after it comes out of reinforce mode. As bad luck would have it the guy who was going to light a cyno for our dreads was pulled into the bubble trap. So he rage logged off and logged off his Phoenix dread alts. So we no longer had enough firepower and could not attack it.

The point of all this is it is a 100% risk free setup for logistics and 100% killer of investigators. It should not be possible to do this.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#84 - 2013-02-22 17:42:56 UTC
You need to learn patience.

If it is a trap, or not, you check it out - either by sac'ing a scout, or scanning it down and investigating carefully. If it's a trap, move on. If it's not, there's a good chance another target will come along using the same route. Setup and wait.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#85 - 2013-02-22 17:51:59 UTC
It isn't fair that someone planned and prepared a defense that you are unable to deal with for your size?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#86 - 2013-02-22 18:01:58 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:
Here is the point all of you keep missing. If we don't warp directly to the cyno, we will miss tackling the jump freighter. Even if we warp to a planet or safe spot near the cyno to make sure it is not a trap, by the time we find out it IS the jump freighter and then warp to the cyno, it will have safely warped off into the shield. Cry

We tried to use a nullified cloaking tech 3 ship to investigate, but that guy decided to take matters into his own hand and try and snipe the bait ship. Unfortunately, he lost the Tengu to the POS before his missiles hit the bait cyno ship.

The only course of action that we could do to put a stop to this was reinforce the tower and later kill it completely after it comes out of reinforce mode. As bad luck would have it the guy who was going to light a cyno for our dreads was pulled into the bubble trap. So he rage logged off and logged off his Phoenix dread alts. So we no longer had enough firepower and could not attack it.

The point of all this is it is a 100% risk free setup for logistics and 100% killer of investigators. It should not be possible to do this.


Or... cloak a stealth bomber off the cyno spot and set a trap for them.
Or... pick a different gate to enter the system (since you mentioned a sling bubble).


FYI, if they're doing it right, the JF will be inside (or in warp to inside) the POS before you land, bubble or no bubble.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#87 - 2013-02-22 18:05:55 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:
Here is the point all of you keep missing. If we don't warp directly to the cyno, we will miss tackling the jump freighter. Even if we warp to a planet or safe spot near the cyno to make sure it is not a trap, by the time we find out it IS the jump freighter and then warp to the cyno, it will have safely warped off into the shield. Cry

We tried to use a nullified cloaking tech 3 ship to investigate, but that guy decided to take matters into his own hand and try and snipe the bait ship. Unfortunately, he lost the Tengu to the POS before his missiles hit the bait cyno ship.

The only course of action that we could do to put a stop to this was reinforce the tower and later kill it completely after it comes out of reinforce mode. As bad luck would have it the guy who was going to light a cyno for our dreads was pulled into the bubble trap. So he rage logged off and logged off his Phoenix dread alts. So we no longer had enough firepower and could not attack it.

The point of all this is it is a 100% risk free setup for logistics and 100% killer of investigators. It should not be possible to do this.


Rather than reply, i just underlined the part of you situation that is your fault and not the game's.

You're welcome.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#88 - 2013-02-22 18:07:01 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
FDIC Agent wrote:
Here is the point all of you keep missing. If we don't warp directly to the cyno, we will miss tackling the jump freighter. Even if we warp to a planet or safe spot near the cyno to make sure it is not a trap, by the time we find out it IS the jump freighter and then warp to the cyno, it will have safely warped off into the shield. Cry

We tried to use a nullified cloaking tech 3 ship to investigate, but that guy decided to take matters into his own hand and try and snipe the bait ship. Unfortunately, he lost the Tengu to the POS before his missiles hit the bait cyno ship.

The only course of action that we could do to put a stop to this was reinforce the tower and later kill it completely after it comes out of reinforce mode. As bad luck would have it the guy who was going to light a cyno for our dreads was pulled into the bubble trap. So he rage logged off and logged off his Phoenix dread alts. So we no longer had enough firepower and could not attack it.

The point of all this is it is a 100% risk free setup for logistics and 100% killer of investigators. It should not be possible to do this.


Rather than reply, i just underlined the part of you situation that is your fault and not the game's.

You're welcome.


You forgot to Bold the part that's not true.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-02-22 18:18:37 UTC
100% killer of Investigators... lol

I think I'll start an Investigator fund to help fight this terrible epidemic. We need to come together and save these soon to be extinct creatures. Help me New Eden!
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-02-22 19:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
FDIC Agent wrote:
For those of you who don't know, squirrel fishing is using a cyno and a sling bubble to trap pilots who go to investigate the situation. What is becoming alarmingly out of control is using this next to a deathstar pos with hundreds of abandoned drones at the edge of the sling bubble. So if being dragged through the pos shield wasnt enough, the drones will decloak you. Effectively creating a trap that can not be countered. What makes things even worse is they use this very pos as a midpoint for their jump freighters.

So, in order to stop their effort free logistics we warp cyno dictors to the cynos to catch the jump freighters only to find out it is nothing but that stupid bait cyno. Another issue is they runs the bait cyno for hours and hours, day after day. So much that eventually no one bothers to check it out anymore. So their jump freighters are even more safe because everyone assumes the cyno for the jump freighter is bait.

Something needs to be done.



Knowing the trap is there is the first step in evading it.

Try not to be so eager when you see a cyno. Maybe, IDK, investigate it first with dscan? See lots of drones on dscan, yes, it's a trap don't go there.

Don't ban me, bro!
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#91 - 2013-02-22 19:50:17 UTC

There is sooo much humor in this thread...

For those that suggest "warp at a distance"..... read up on bubble mechanics.....

At the OP.... Make a tac on grid of the POS.... and monitor it while cloaked.... If they light a cyno, align and wait for something juicy to come through.... you can typically make a 500km warp to the cyno and tackle a JF before it enters warp.... although it will be close if the cyno also webs the freighter into warp (in which case your suicide dictors wouldn't have succeeded anyway!)
duckmonster
Perkone
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-02-23 03:12:04 UTC
Caldari 5 wrote:
When I read the OP I was thinking about this Squirrel Launcher


Oh hey animal cruelty. Thats hilarious Roll
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-02-23 03:52:32 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:
Effectively creating a trap that can not be countered.


Actually, the counter to this is EXTREMELY easy: Fly a fairly fast moving ship. Even a fully faction fit deathstar pos has significant limitations. First off, slow locking speed, and second, the damage isn't all that much to start off with. You warp in, theres a bubble that sucks you in and decloaks you: Big. F'ing. Deal. You turn around, you move the 500m out of the bubble, and you warp off. ANY, and I mean ANY sub capital ship in the game, (yes, the orca, and freighters, are capital ships. By CCP's definition. Login and check on market if you disagree.) can easily warp back out before the pos can point you. Something like a stealth bomber, buzzard, even cloaky tengu will easily be able to do so before even faction small guns can lock and shoot you.

Basically what I'm seeing here, is a player complaining that their utter lack of competence, or ability to fly their ship out of the edge of a sling bubble, is getting them killed. The only nerf that needs to happen is to FDIC being able to post on the forums. If you don't know BASIC ship piloting, Don't warp to cynos. End of story.

/thread
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#94 - 2013-02-23 06:17:07 UTC
I *really* want that 'place bounty now' button....

FDIC Agent is terrible, and should have a towering bounty on his head for being so.

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Occultus Sapientia
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-02-23 06:27:01 UTC
Handled.
Pirate
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2013-02-23 08:14:53 UTC
FDIC Agent wrote:
For those of you who don't know, squirrel fishing is using a cyno and a sling bubble to trap pilots who go to investigate the situation. What is becoming alarmingly out of control is using this next to a deathstar pos with hundreds of abandoned drones at the edge of the sling bubble. So if being dragged through the pos shield wasnt enough, the drones will decloak you. Effectively creating a trap that can not be countered. What makes things even worse is they use this very pos as a midpoint for their jump freighters.

So, in order to stop their effort free logistics we warp cyno dictors to the cynos to catch the jump freighters only to find out it is nothing but that stupid bait cyno. Another issue is they runs the bait cyno for hours and hours, day after day. So much that eventually no one bothers to check it out anymore. So their jump freighters are even more safe because everyone assumes the cyno for the jump freighter is bait.

Something needs to be done.


counter?

don't warp to random cynos.

they're not doing anything wrong, just supplying empirical evidence to support Darwin.

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Xenharmonic1
BFFS or LESS
#97 - 2013-02-23 08:16:25 UTC
Cynosural fields need to be BANNED!
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#98 - 2013-02-23 08:39:41 UTC
It's not like you NEED to investigate
warp to a nearby celestial and d-scan

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Othran
Route One
#99 - 2013-02-23 11:02:29 UTC
This is the funniest thread I've seen on eve-o in months if not years Lol

The only thing that could have made it funnier would have been if the cyno got lit in a belt Twisted
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2013-02-23 13:05:21 UTC
Came expecting someone crying for falling for a trap while looking to gank a cyno ship. Left happy.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.