Intergalactic Summit

I agree completely with you here. The Provist are a group, not an institution like the FIO and SDII. Heth's ability to adequately cover up his operations has faulted recently, which make one wonder what changed. Now, I don't mean to imply that the SDII are just the Federations form of the Provists, but that they present within them the possibility to do just that and things are starting to sound reactionary, much like how the first Great War between our people started.

I could be blowing this out of proportion here entirely though.

Was Midna Lyre present in her capacity as a pop-star or as a representative of the company she operates under, Egonics? Egonics has one of the largest databases of personal information on citizens of the Federation ever compiled.

Man, being a CEO is brilliant. Did you know how brilliant being a CEO is? I bet you didn't.

See, I can even delegate things like pointless, cyclical arguments! I didn't even know that was a thing you could delegate, but you can!

First of all, you ignored the main point I was making, but if you had not, your entire counter-argument would have fallen flat on it's face. Admiral Noir has not been ressurrected and instated among the Federation's forces without any punishment for his crimes. The Caldari terrorist organization that drowned Nouvelle Rouvenor however, are now openly enrolled in the fighting.

Secondly, the Malkalen tragedy did not directly start the war. It did however conveniently kill Otro Gariushi, the Federation delegation, and any hope of doing what the trip to Malkalen was supposed to do: help fix the slowly mending wounds left from the first war and ensure a more solid and lasting peace was aquired. This helped Tibus Heth silence any major opposition, worm his way into power and instill a very un-Caldari like government run on fear, hatred and a desire for war.

The war itself started when the State invaded the Federation whole-sale using the chance provided by the Minmatar Elders, pushing some 90% of their whole military force through the borders, ensuring they would have vastly superior local numbers wherever they went, leaving the State itself almost entirly defenceless. Blobbing - Impressive military strategy, indeed.

In short, Caldri terrorists (again, terrorists in the direct employ of the State in this war) started the previous war. The State itself started this one. Federation citizens can be as bothered and annoyed with the SDII as they wish, the SDII are still needed in the Federation so long as this conflict lasts, and any complaints from any Caldari national are nearly worthless - after all, the State can be directly blamed for the SDII existing to begin with, and the fire-starter do not get to complain that the neighbor's house is burning.

First off, save your petty digs for the Provists, and I didn't ignore your main point. It doesn't matter if Noir is around to be punished or not the fact remains that two wars have been provoked by the actions of a single group (or person). The fact that Heth and his terrorist buddies are in power now doesn't suddenly make everything O.K. for the Federation to absolve itself of blame in the minds of the populace.



Malkalen was the catalyst, like Nouvelle. What your not seeming to understand is that both of these events are what led to the war. They didn't 'start' the war but they undeniably are what fanned the flames. Is it convenient? yes, but it doesn't change the fact that these events are what gave our people the resolve needed to support two misguided wars.



Please pay attention to what was being said, I didn't say you started thiswar (see my second point. Though perhaps the word 'started' was a poor choice for what I was hitting at). Our roles have switched from the time of the First Great War and now, my point was that terrorist actions (by Caldari extremists the first time and a Gallente one this time) are what led to war in both cases.

To be 100% clear on the matter, I'll reiterate it once more as simply as possible.

Caldari Terrorists started the first Great War, and by 'started' I mean they provided the fuel for the fire that led to open hostilities between our nations with the Federation opening military action on a national level starting with the blockade, bombardment and military invasion of Caldari Prime.

A Gallente Terrorist (or perceived Gallente terrorist) started this war by providing the fuel that led to open hostilities between our nations with the State opening military action on a national level first by violating Federation space and retaking Caldari Prime.

Do you dispute these facts?



This would make sense if the Provists were complaining about the SDII. If you don't care to see the smoke coming from the kitchen thats your own business, I'm just a neighbor warning you of the stove fire.

Why, do your holy in-space actions have better results ?

The one and the same. She works for Egonics Inc., a company so intrusive in the extent of its data gathering that they have been banned from Amarr space. A very handy asset for Blaque if he can get his hands on it.

A spook, a blood raider, and a gameshow host, give an address to the Federation as a whole.

If that's meant to be representative of Gallente culture, then you can keep it.