EVE General Discussion

Kind of sick of seeing this.

No, we do not play different games. It's the same game, with the same rules, and the same economy.
You are not the no impact man just because you fly arund high sec, shooting rocks.

Not sure if you are serious or not.

Actually that's EXACTLY what you're suggesting whether you realize it or not. Its not dense to think about the things you're not and refuse to. Your solution greatly reduces the supply, which increases cost at a rather high rate. This supply is lost both from the refining nerf and more ships getting destroyed out in null, so even if you found what would be the balance "in theory", the increased production costs and startup cause problems of their own that you're ignoring, trying to act like it doesn't exist. These things are things that can't be easily estimated and a mistake there WILL cause massive problems. Assuming you can get enough industrials to stick around in the first place.

However if you increase the potential reward, make production in null sec actually something that can be set up with reasonable ease, that's something that can be better adjusted over time. If mercoxit isn't worth mining, the supply is too high somewhere else and that needs to be adjusted. Too easy to set up T2 production in high sec compared to null sec? Then make it more ideal to set it up in null sec. Perhaps production is faster there, perhaps researching out there gives better chance for the needed blueprints, or a risky option that actually requires you to bring the blueprint into a dangerous situation. Risks with rewards that lean towards being rewarding if all goes according to plan. Then, if that doesn't work or starts having issues, THEN you can look at pruning back high sec some. Pruning it back on its own though is just asking for trouble when you look at the whole picture rather than just one element.

Higher prices are a good thing. The game is already facing heavy power creep. Making it harder to acquire "things" means more generic every day content merely from the creation and acquisition of goods.

The people who care about a hisec indy nerf are the miniscule minority of super-industrialists that produce on such a massive scale in the pure safety of hisec that the vast majority of players are priced right out of even trying to compete. Everyone else shouldn't suffer poorer game play because a few people want to have their mega empires with 14 accounts all minmaxing enormous industrial chains perfectly safe from any form of interference or new market entrants.

A thousand tears for the ~200 hypernerds that will no longer be able to price everyone else out of a major element of the game.

Supply of what? Minerals? Did you consider the fact that because a really freaking huge amount of minerals goes into building ships to be exported to null that constitutes a much greater drain on supply than the loss of perfect refining?

So ships will be slightly more expensive. So what?
That's not justification for keeping things the way they are.

Let's try simple causal relations here. The mechanics change so it becomes harder to mass-produce. The decline of mass-production means prices rise.

Now let's add yours. The rise in prices benefits the mass-producer. See the problem with your logic here?

You've generally made a fool of yourself by typing without thinking across a few threads now. Just stop commenting when you have no clue about what you;re commenting on. You add nothing to the discussion and just make yourself look more foolish each time.



No, the economy of Eve serves one purpose: as a facilitator of content. The goal of Eve is fun for players, not to maximize galactic GDP.

We get it, you really love hisec and will barf up any comment that pops into your head without thinking it through. You've established that enough times that you hardly need to continue making a fool of yourself to really ram the point home.

Actually it is a justification, just not one you want to hear.

Here's the part you're missing. More of the ISK in existence goes to the mass producer increasing the gap between poor and wealthy, similar to how its been working in real life, or have you not noticed the gas price situation with the oil companies continuing to rake in record profits despite the price rises being supposedly because of production difficulties? Or how despite the economy reducing how much the average person makes, there are companies that continue to make more and more. This is because despite the price changes, despite the supply, the demand remains the same so they realize they can get more out of them for less. Its logic based off a very very real situation. Reality provides the evidence just fine regardless of how it sounds.

And James. I didn't say change nothing, just not to change the thing that you think will solve everything. You'd realize that if you were paying any attention.

Because as an industrialist I'm buying what exactly?

I'm the dump. I'm where the ISK ends up. The "super industrialist" doesn't buy "stuff", we buy materials.

What kind of industry do you do exactly?