EVE General Discussion

I prefer not to give the super coalitions more power than they already have.

We're in agreement then: the supercoalitions should be creating their ships and wealth in 0.0 where it's vulnerable.

So you agree then. Good.

Of course it would, simply due to scale. It is hard to kill a CSAA because of the amount of care and attention it is given, and you need to project power proportional to that attention. A single ship floating through space, on the other hand, takes very little to kill…

Actually, most blockades take place on the borders of the country you're trying to blockade... just becomes a bit harder when jump drives are involved to do things that way... actually, it makes me doubt that any high sec changes would make them any easier to blockade as they could just wait inside the station until its clear and then jump. And maybe that's the real issue. The obvious response would seem to be to find out where their usual jump points are and jump with them with your own cyno, take em out there, but they likely usually jump to a POS. Maybe they shouldn't be able to jump too close to a protected area? Maybe there should be ways to intercept cyno signals and give them to your own fleet? Maybe something that'd actually work in general.

just get rid of low sec, it's useless.

It was more the point,

We're not here, because we're there. Everyone seems to have a problem with us not being where they expect us to be, but when people explain why we're not there they don't want to hear it.

As one model high seccer put it, "we would control the economy!!!1" Which is a bunch of bullshit. We'd control OUR eocnomies.

When was the last time some of you high sec ******* dropped a billion in a null market, buying **** made by a null industrialist? Because I've gone through over 3 billion this buying **** in high sec.

Honestly, I'm at the point of just wanting to repsond to most of these threads with a big go **** yourself to the ignorants that have no idea how **** works outside of high sec. All I see are people who want the unbalance to remain because it benefits them.

This is where the null vs high sec animosity stems. Bunch of self entiltled twats who want everything for nothing and have no problem telling the rest of us to go **** ourselves because this is how it should be. Nevermind that those of us joining player run corps in null sec, with much higher difficulty aren't being rewarded; while guys are flying around high sec half braindead and alseep, putting in no effort, crying when someone so much as targets them (oh ******* god, he bumped me!), and getting better rewards for playing on "I'm a down child difficulty".

Good, you have identified a facet of this problem, ergo that the base refinery rate for a POS even after the upgrade is only 50%. Now let's compare that hisec and factor in a few things:

1) Hisec station is instant refining, POS refining is not. This can be fixed so that both match, and frankly either way works for me.
2) Hisec station requires high standings (6.7 or so) to avoid being taxed minerals when refining. POS does not, which is a point in POS favor. This is fine as it is.
3) Hisec station requires fewer skills to reach perfect 0% loss than a POS does. This needs to be fixed - why should someone paying all that ISK to keep a POS running end up with something that is less efficient than a NPC station?

Therefor I endorse the idea of POS refining efficiency start at 50% (same as generic NPC stations) and then have the upgrade boost that to 80%. Now your low/nullsec miner working from a friendly POS is going to be getting a better refining rate than they would from using a NPC station. Holy moley, finally a reason to actually use the POS instead of the NPC station!

Next if we add the refining timers from POS to NPC station - already said this is fine - then you've not only equalized the two in this area but you've also created the much ballyhooed mineral bottleneck for hisec. Even with 50 slots, if you've got a hundred miners in that system all dumping at that station then there is going to be a waiting list. POS style refining in NPC stations would, at the very least, break up some of the giant barge clusters that look like bowls of Rice Krispies from taking out entire belts two minutes after server launch on a daily basis. Miners would have to spread out more and production would not all end up clumped into just a few little nodes of hisec space.

And that's just with current mechanics. Adding specialized structures to the game can further enhance the low/null experience. For example, smaller, cheaper, and more easily maintained "habitation modules" of limited but specific purpose. For example, just a portable "mobile refinery" that can be anchored in space and acts as a single refinery slot, take up about 10,000m3 or so and would cost maybe around 1000 ISK per hour to keep fueled with whatever you want to fuel that with. So now your heavily escorted nullsec mining fleet can stuff a few of these into their industrials and strip down a belt with no stations in the system at all, POS or NPC. This would greatly increase the ease of mining in low/null. Just put a rule of "Can only anchor in 0.4 or below" and ta-da - you've jut given the risk takers a buff that hisec can't use. You've sped up nullsec mineral production significantly and in a way that is open to those who aren't billionaires or swearing fealty to an Alliance.

Portable hangers with built in cloaks to allow people to stowe spare ships and gear outside of POS/NPC facilities again open up more possibilities for all kinds of gameplay in null that hisec would never see. Mobile factories and so on and pretty soon the POS itself is no longer seen as the prerequisite foundation of operating in null and instead becomes, to put it metaphorically, a shopping mall in a sea of roadside vendors.

Now you can argue for or against any of these ideas and I don't care. I'm just making a simple point here: I'm suggesting ways to buff low/nullsec game play and what little hisec nerfing to refining I've actually endorsed is simply to place it on par with currently existing POS restrictions. That is the point of this entire thread, in fact, trolls be damned.

I think a good way to buff nullsec industry would be to introduce 'super asteroids' that give compressed minerals right off the bat. Right now, there's no way for a Max skilled hulk mining Tritanium in nullsec to get a better profit margin then someone performing the same activity with the same skills in highsec. Therefore there's absolutely no reason to mine any of the low ends in nullsec, and thus creates the logistically necessity of importing items. If nullsec industry could produce raw minerals at a heightened rate then highsec, it would then behoove people to actually go and mine there.

This kind of thing I'd support... give newbie miners a reason to head out there rather than waiting until they can mine morphite without the astroid butchering them.

Generally one of the complaints is lack of reward for being in a more dangerous area. How does improving what is available out there not improve on that? Maybe be constructive rather than whine.