EVE General Discussion

Yulai is still HS. It lost it's trade hub because it lost the highway gates that made it the center of EVE.

Jita isn't the problem. The problem is that it is impossible to compete with HS industry with current mechanics, and simply buffing nullsec industry cannot fix that without creating some ridiculous problems (like infinite mineral or ISK faucets) because HS industry is unlimited, free, risk free, and convenient.

And nobody's making any such suggestion, so I don't know why you're trying to tilt at the straw windmill that you set up in the first paragraph of your post.

If null is selling to Jita based on a huge nerf to hi-sec than it's probably too late for hi-sec industry. It would mean you have overcome all the hi-sec advantages to become the low cost producer everywhere. That's not farms and fields, that's not equality, that's a takeover of industry. The goal of Farms and Fields is to do empire building and you are self sufficient where you live in outlying regions, not be the low cost producer for hi-sec.

I think getting Farms and Fields to work requires an almost perfect balancing act where null industry becomes the low cost producer in null without displacing hi-sec to the point where its no longer the low cost producer in hi-sec. That difference is largely transport and slot costs, and trit and pye somehow getting to null more cheaply. The easiest thing to balance is probably big, heavy things that are expensive to transport. Good luck getting that right for everything else. It would require thoughtful and creative solutions that tinker with production in multiple ways, with small changes here and there add up to create a balance. Most of the things I see being proposed are huge and not very finely tuned changes.

For example, off the top of my head, one change to help null might be CCP sanctioning low end mineral compression by creating trit and pye blocks, that are manufactured. They could be more compressed than hauling autocannons or whatever is used now. That could allow for cheap low end mineral importation. Its an improvement in logistics and brings down the cost of building hulls in null. A person could buy trit in outlying regions of hi-sec at low prices, compress it into blocks, and export it and match Jita cost for low ends or get reasonably close, even including transport costs. With a bit more modest tinkering in other ways added on, null might be able to equal Jita for hull production costs, but transport costs prevent people from exporting finished large hulls back to Jita. Also, it would not be economical to export hulls to null from Jita. That delivers self sufficiency without crushing hi-sec. It also doesn't ask CCP to change the philosophy of mining where hi-sec, low-sec and null each supply unique minerals and all need each other to produce.

Null people don't want to think like this though. That's a shame. They are just wasting everyone's time by not trying. Many small, thoughtful changes would probably be better than the current huge proposals.

Crap lost my entire reply. Ah well, the problems of posting from work.

I like this idea, make sure it has millions of HP (literally like hundreds of millions, remember - HIGHSEC) and then one side has to defend the structure and the other has to defeat them and then shoot hundreds of millions of hitpoints.

And the defender gets to choose the time. Of course, it will cost them stront.

To stront the station.

Which will be shot.


Wait...

No, move it in 0.3 space and lower so that nobody will have the excuse their null sec alts are so much better manufacturing T2 in hi sec.

What do you think people are doing? Most industry performed by people who live in Nullsec is performed in HS. Many people who live in Nullsec have HS Mission, Incursion, or Mining alts to support their Nullsec habits.

Equality would be a real trick. I have yet to see a proposal that does that.

They sure did a great job fixing lowsec after everyone "boycotted" it.

Look back a couple pages and you'll see my proposal which runs off the idea that a floating cost modifier based on use will allow the market to decide how valuable a station slot is vs a POS slot (of course, CCP needs to fix POS manufacturing), then CCP can use empirical measurements to determine how much the rest of HS's advantages bring (something like: 99% of industry happens in HS, let's see what happens with a 1.1 material modifier > 6 months later, 80% happens in HS with tons of Nullsec slots lying fallow, let's see what happens with a 1.2 material modifier, and so on until Dr. EyoG says "that's the balance we want to see.")(i.e. Guess and Check), or maybe even run a floating material modifier (though I'm not quite sure how that would work).

Me, my corp, and my alliance live in Lowsec. Assah, to be specific. Perhaps you're confusing us for someone else?

And again, relatively few people who live in Nullsec make their living there.