EVE General Discussion

You are asking CCP to modify the economy in your favor. You are basically saying "Make the game so I earn more money than other people."

I am saying "Leave the game alone. It works."

The game works for a large portion of the player base. The shear activity alone in Jita shows that people are participating in the current system. In fact Jita is often full on the weekends. People can't get in to make their trades it is so popular.

If you can sell goods at a higher price in Nullsec why don't you just HTFU up and haul goods from Jita to Null and make money that way.

You could buy a drake in Jita for 35m, that's damn near what it costs to build with no waste and line costs.

Pretty much anywhere else in EVE, that isn't one of the major trade hubs, you can get 50-60 million for them.

JIta is not the entirely of the economy.

Missioners and ratters can do this thing called 'reshipping to a barge' if the incentive to mine and manufacture was so much higher incentivized, Economics Master.

Missioners and ratters can do this thing called 'reshipping to a barge' if the incentive to mine and manufacture was so much higher incentivized, Economics Master.

So you want CCP to say to a large portion of the player base "Sorry you spent months training up those skills and spent millions or billions on those ships that you no longer have a viable option to play in a game play style that you obviously were enjoying. Also sorry that mining is so boring. Maybe the constant ganking will make it exciting."

Do you think those players are going to keep playing or just cut their losses and quit outright.

Converse what? This same exact topic that's been discussed to death every week for how many years.

So that I can read rediculous comments that have no bearing on the issues we face in null, made by people who claim to be high sec industrialist but don't seem to undertand how basic industry stuff works.

Like when people make comments about people who mass produce being able to drive out people who don't. Which is what both of you seem to be saying, you just don't seem to be as completely out of it as the other guy.

We say the same exact things over and over and over. Just to have you guys come back at us with one rediculous excuse after the next.

We'll control the economy
We just don't like high sec.
Null is for PvP.
High sec is supposed to be the best for industry.
It's "our" fault.
It'll drive people out of the game.
New players wont be able to do industry.
New players won't be able to afford to buy things.


It's not a T1 problem, it's a T2 production problem.

The fixes to null aren't needed for balance, theyr'e need because theres 300k more people playing the game then 7 years ago, and that means more people in null. Null station station upgrades don't account for the number of people in null now, they were designed when there were far fewer people here. It's not an oversight, it was clearly designed around the number of people they expected to need to support at the time it was implimented.

WE HAVE TO IMPORT the stuff to build T2 goods. If I wasn't importing T2 components I would be able to build **** as well as anyone in high sec.


Do you guys understand that T2 components, and the materials used to make them, are not available in null sec. I can not buy Titanium carbanide or damn near any other T2 material to make T2 compnents in null sec, where they ******* originated from.

It's not "your fault" it's the mechanics. Moons are a part of the problem.

Being able to mine the minerals in the same area you build is another problem. You can not undock in null and start mining rocks to reduce the cost of your goods. My alt doesn't buy minerals to build in high sec, I mine it myself.

You have more minerals then you need in high sec, I don't have enough in null.

A lot of the salvage I need, doesn't come from null sec either. Armor plates are not cheap, and the amount of them being sold in all of deklein is next to nill. There's two of us buying all of the armour plates in deklein; I need thousands and I'm lucky if I get 100 in a week.

YOU do not have to go anywhere outside of where you play in order to PLAY. I do. Everyday. I spend upwards of 500m a day in high sec.

I pay 200 isk per m^3 to import to null.
I ship 360k m^3 worth of materials up to 3 times a week.

When I build something that costs a million isk, and you can buy that something for a million in jita and ship it for a few thousand I'm in a noncompetitive position.

You can sell 100 of that something in a day in high sec, I can only sell 10.
Guys who are trying to make some passive income can import that something for just a couple of thousand, and then sell it for just a few thousand over thier total cost. They don't care that they don't sell that many, it's passive income. They treat it like a lot of people treat PI, something you do to make a few million a month.

I put in a LOT time and effort to actually build the stuff.

When most of the 200+ items I sell in null end up getting driven down to near jita prices, I know exactly why.


I'm sick of having to write this **** out every week some people can't accept that they're gaining to large an advantage. You can not buff null sec to allow me to compete, and many of the mechanics that drive my problems can't be changed because of the eocnomy.

What can be changed is things like:
Ore concentrations.
Line costs.
Taxes.
Improved PoS's for everyone.
Improved station upgrading.
Reduced lines in high sec stations. You actually have an excess of lines in high sec, you guys have a lot of underutilized stations.
All T2 production being moved to .7 and lower.

None of these things would hurt new players, would not have a negative impact on older players, and would benefit the game as a whole.

You understand that people will stop farming missions and start mining if it's more profitable to do that, right?

So you want CCP to say to a large portion of the player base "Sorry you spent months training up those skills and spent millions or billions on those ships that you no longer have a viable option to play in a game play style that you obviously were enjoying. Also sorry that mining is so boring. Maybe the constant ganking will make it exciting."

Do you think those players are going to keep playing or just cut their losses and quit outright.

How will increased prices remove mission runners from the game? Highsec mission runners have practically zero cost, the only thing they need to buy is T1 ammo (and their ships, which they already have) which will be cheap regardless because it is so easy to manufacture. Maybe have to buy a few PVP ships, dig into their wallet and buy another T1 battleship to replace their dumb loss because they weren't paying attention, play vigilantly and have to pay some taxes (gasp!) after the changes I have suggested.

If anything mission running will become more valuable because the amount of people switching to mining would make LP more profitable.