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Mag's
Azn Empire
#41 - 2013-02-21 12:55:57 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Mag's wrote:
You mean, you couldn't use the term 'Take advantage of.'?

I have a feeling you knew exactly what would happen, when using the term exploit and why you haven't edited your OP.



You too should just drop it. .. and no I did not know exactly what would happen. You need to understand that my whole reason for this post is actually for a positive outcome. One: for CCP to fix it. Two: for other players to know about it. I am not some person who sits and thinks of how to manipulate an outcome. I am forthright and used a word that I thought fit. So move on, nothing to see here.. these aren't the droids your looking for....

(... Unless your reason is to only torch and not be helpful. I don't care to edit as the following posts don't make sense to people reading after certain types of editing.)
The term Exploit has a particular meaning, in regards to Eve. This is why so many have jumped on that word and verbally lambasted you for it.

Yet you still insist on not editing your OP to remove it, but wish us to not discuss your poor use of that term. What?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Daniel Whateley
#42 - 2013-02-21 13:00:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
drop it.
No. If you want to call something an exploit, make sure it's actually an exploit. This isn't by any stretch of the imagination.

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I already gave an explanation of my choice of words.
Was it “I used the completely wrong word, and I'll go back and edit it”? If not, then your explanation is as poor as your choice of words. ‘Exploit’ is something very specific in terms of mechanics and CCP response. If you wanted to be that inaccurate, why didn't you just call it a banana instead?

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Or have you nothing helpful to say?
Here's something helpfull: title your thread and your problem correctly, or it will be dismissed as nonsense.

Daniel Whateley wrote:
because you cant make people change their setting so they cant see you,
…and that is exactly why it's not an exploit.



we're not discussing how to post topics, we're discussing the sudden change in overview settings and no notification about it, us pvp'ers like being informed of important changes like this Bear
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#43 - 2013-02-21 13:02:46 UTC
Daniel Whateley wrote:
we're not discussing how to post topics
Actually, we are.

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we're discussing the sudden change in overview settings and no notification about it
…which wasn't particularly sudden, nor without notice. Either way, it most certainly wasn't an exploit so the entire basis for the thread in its current form is thoroughly uninformed.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#44 - 2013-02-21 13:05:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
drop it.
No. If you want to call something an exploit, make sure it's actually an exploit. This isn't by any stretch of the imagination.

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I already gave an explanation of my choice of words.
Was it “I used the completely wrong word, and I'll go back and edit it”? If not, then your explanation is as poor as your choice of words. ‘Exploit’ is something very specific in terms of mechanics and CCP response. If you wanted to be that inaccurate, why didn't you just call it a banana instead?

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Or have you nothing helpful to say?
Here's something helpfull: title your thread and your problem correctly, or it will be dismissed as nonsense.

Daniel Whateley wrote:
because you cant make people change their setting so they cant see you,
…and that is exactly why it's not an exploit.



You should drop it. Your anger is not suitable to forum threads and venomous words are unhelpful. No I did not use the completely wrong word. Exploit has many different meanings. As I am not a game Dev I don't know all of their terminology. Most people who are not screwed up by intense rudeness are kind enough to understand my meaning and that my intentions are good.

So yes, you can tear my post to pieces as is your normal way, but most people I talk to are actually thanking me for pointing this out. I doubt you have helped anyone with this overview setting issue... so I know my post is not nonsense as it is actually helpful.


This whole 'exploit' word is not what this post is all about. I'ts about the overview settings.

So I suggest you go flame another poster as you will not get anywhere with me.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-02-21 13:08:18 UTC
I'm still not seeing the exploit here. I'm seeing a minor overview bug that is known, and easily remedied, nothing more.
Daniel Whateley
#46 - 2013-02-21 13:10:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Daniel Whateley wrote:
we're not discussing how to post topics
Actually, we are.

Quote:
we're discussing the sudden change in overview settings and no notification about it
…which wasn't particularly sudden, nor without notice. Either way, it most certainly wasn't an exploit so the entire basis for the thread in its current form is thoroughly uninformed.



"My Mechanic forgot to tell me i need some brake fluid once... crashed into a car... next day i went back to him to fix it, i don't feel exploited at all..."

You probably never notice coz your always in highsec but there is a lot of people who play eve in nullsec and lowsec just to use exploits, like microwarpdrive + cloak is that not an exploit?, would you do the same thing if naga's were invisible to everyone in nullsec and lowsec 1 day after the patch?, i know i would... and id feel quite bad about it... "surprise! oh you didn't even see me kthxbai!"
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2013-02-21 13:12:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
BoSau Hotim wrote:
You should drop it.
Nah. I rather enjoy teaching forum-newbies what they need to do in order to make their threads have the effect they want.

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Your anger is not suitable to forum threads and venomous words are unhelpful.
Good thing, then, that I'm not angry nor venomous.

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No I did not use the completely wrong word. Exploit has many different meanings.
…and those meanings vary with the context. In the context of games in general (and EVE in particular) it has a rather specific meaning, and it's not the one you're after. You labelling it as an exploit is incorrect in every way — it's not a mechanic anyone can use to get an advantage over other players because the supposed exploiters have absolutely no way of taking advantage of it. Rather, it's the people who haven't beein paying attention who have caused themselves a disadvantage by not updating their overviews.

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This whole 'exploit' word is not what this post is all about. I'ts about the overview settings.
Exactly. So label it as such. It will (or would have — it's a bit late now) helped immensely with getting the topic the kind of attention and discussion it needed. Now see what a simple misapplication caused instead… Cry

Daniel Whateley wrote:
You probably never notice coz your always in highsec
Half-right. I wouldn't notice, not because I'm always in highsec (because I'm not) but rather because I paid attention, stayed informed and updated my overview settings. But congratulations for confirming that you don't really have anything akin to a proper argument since you have to resort to fallacies that quickly.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#48 - 2013-02-21 13:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: BoSau Hotim
Mag's wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Mag's wrote:
You mean, you couldn't use the term 'Take advantage of.'?

I have a feeling you knew exactly what would happen, when using the term exploit and why you haven't edited your OP.



You too should just drop it. .. and no I did not know exactly what would happen. You need to understand that my whole reason for this post is actually for a positive outcome. One: for CCP to fix it. Two: for other players to know about it. I am not some person who sits and thinks of how to manipulate an outcome. I am forthright and used a word that I thought fit. So move on, nothing to see here.. these aren't the droids your looking for....

(... Unless your reason is to only torch and not be helpful. I don't care to edit as the following posts don't make sense to people reading after certain types of editing.)
The term Exploit has a particular meaning, in regards to Eve. This is why so many have jumped on that word and verbally lambasted you for it.

Yet you still insist on not editing your OP to remove it, but wish us to not discuss your poor use of that term. What?



Both you and Tippia are lambasting me. Your the only ones. You both could have been helpful in teaching me what the word means in the gaming community in a decent way. instead you chose to be rude and flame me for it. Do you really think rudeness is the way to get someone to be taught?

You both could have used this forum posts for something positive and I would have been glad to have been taught. i would have probably asked questions and then been able to make a good decision. But you both chose not to. So I chose not to respond to this rudeness. Next time you don't like a wording in a post it would be best to have an attitude of helpful teaching. It's actually you two that have taken this thread way off topic. Not me.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-02-21 13:13:01 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
I'm still not seeing the exploit here. I'm seeing a minor overview bug that is known, and easily remedied, nothing more.


What if you decide to fly a battlecruiser, because you know there is a chance you get displayed incorrectly in the overview, would that not be exploiting the bug?
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#50 - 2013-02-21 13:14:59 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
I'm still not seeing the exploit here. I'm seeing a minor overview bug that is known, and easily remedied, nothing more.


What if you decide to fly a battlecruiser, because you know there is a chance you get displayed incorrectly in the overview, would that not be exploiting the bug?



If your ship choice is down to the potential of an overview bug you really need to learn to PVP better.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#51 - 2013-02-21 13:15:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Dante Uisen wrote:
What if you decide to fly a battlecruiser, because you know there is a chance you get displayed incorrectly in the overview, would that not be exploiting the bug?
There's no bug, and that chance exists for any ship you choose to fly regardless, so no it wouldn't.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#52 - 2013-02-21 13:23:17 UTC
I wouldn't call it a bug, I do call it an oversight by CCP. It's interesting that the Combat Battlecruisers were checked off in the overview after the patch. So they did one of them and it seems that they forgot the other two.

So, continuing on I would like to know the 'gaming' definition of exploit. I always considered it some sort of hole in the game where if a player found it, it could give them an advantage in the game. So that is why I used that term.

... sarcasm is not a good way to teach people btw. Posters may be proud that they have superior knowledge of a game or game terminology. But lording their superiority and using sarcasm and rude tones generally don't get a good response, nor does it tend to help anyone want to learn from them. Humility and friendliness actually go a long way in helping people.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Daniel Whateley
#53 - 2013-02-21 13:23:19 UTC
@ Tippia If you don't believe there's any use in this forum thread why not just unsubscribe from notifications from it then ? instead of trolling a thread that is truthful and correct ? and let people actually discuss it correctly, and instead of being stubborn and saying no its not a exploit, how about you explore the misinformation and ask around to see other peoples responses to whether or not they realized the change? i've asked the friends i have on eve, all of them didn't even know it was unchecked after the patch and thought it was very important, if i didn't tell them it would of been the same for at least a month.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#54 - 2013-02-21 13:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
BoSau Hotim wrote:



Both you and Tippia are lambasting me. Your the only ones. You both could have been helpful in teaching me what the word means in the gaming community in a decent way. instead you chose to be rude and flame me for it. Do you really think rudeness is the way to get someone to be taught?

You both could have used this forum posts for something positive and I would have been glad to have been taught. i would have probably asked questions and then been able to make a good decision. But you both chose not to. So I chose not to respond to this rudeness. Next time you don't like a wording in a post it would be best to have an attitude of helpful teaching. It's actually you two that have taken this thread way off topic. Not me.
I like it that you're playing the 'I don't know, please be nice' card. This stance would wash, if you had edited your OP and removed the term exploit. The fact you haven't and seem instant on keeping it, makes me think otherwise. That and the fact you deemed it necessary, to explain why it was an exploit in your OP. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-02-21 13:31:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
drop it.
No. If you want to call something an exploit, make sure it's actually an exploit. This isn't by any stretch of the imagination.

Quote:
I already gave an explanation of my choice of words.
Was it “I used the completely wrong word, and I'll go back and edit it”? If not, then your explanation is as poor as your choice of words. ‘Exploit’ is something very specific in terms of mechanics and CCP response. If you wanted to be that inaccurate, why didn't you just call it a banana instead?

Quote:
Or have you nothing helpful to say?
Here's something helpfull: title your thread and your problem correctly, or it will be dismissed as nonsense.

Daniel Whateley wrote:
because you cant make people change their setting so they cant see you,
…and that is exactly why it's not an exploit.


Careful, Tippia, with all this sense and reason, you're liable to make BoSau self implode.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-02-21 13:35:23 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
What if you decide to fly a battlecruiser, because you know there is a chance you get displayed incorrectly in the overview, would that not be exploiting the bug?


Does it really matter? You're just intentionally using a different definition of exploit in an effort of trying to obfuscate the matter for some odd reason. You're using the definition of an exploit, that is something like: "To employ to the greatest possible advantage". He on the other hand is talking about exploits in the sense of: "An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever.".

When discussing exploits in EVE people will assume you are using something close to the latter definition, because it's the one that counts and its consequenses make keeping the definition clearly separated important. Using the word exploit here will be taken as intentionally using all the negative connotations it has and doing so when it doesn't really apply is at best taken as a **** move.
Bob Nesta Marley
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-02-21 13:36:26 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
or maybe it was just some guys flying nagas



Tell me.. have you looked at your overview settings? and tell me.. were the Attack battlecruisers and blockade runners checked off?

puh-leeez... anyone would have seen a spike of nagas on their overview while getting their ship melted if the settings were set right during the patch. Ugh


Seems custom overviews are a positive list. If you did not add Attack Battlecruisers and Blockade Runners to them, they will not appear. Until this patch those did not exist.

I don't want CCP adding random ships to my "Planets and Sun" overview.


BoSau Hotim wrote:
Your quoting from the forums? This is not notifying all Eve players. It is notifying players on the forums - there is a HUGE difference as not all players go to the forums my friend. Try again.


Due Diligence is fun.


Ey RubyPuerto, dis post be mad boomin, seen? BOOM BOOM. Respect.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#58 - 2013-02-21 13:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: BoSau Hotim
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
What if you decide to fly a battlecruiser, because you know there is a chance you get displayed incorrectly in the overview, would that not be exploiting the bug?


Does it really matter? You're just intentionally using a different definition of exploit in an effort of trying to obfuscate the matter for some odd reason. You're using the definition of an exploit, that is something like: "To employ to the greatest possible advantage". He on the other hand is talking about exploits in the sense of: "An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever.".

When discussing exploits in EVE people will assume you are using something close to the latter definition, because it's the one that counts and its consequenses make keeping the definition clearly separated important. Using the word exploit here will be taken as intentionally using all the negative connotations it has and doing so when it doesn't really apply is at best taken as a **** move.


Hey Destination! long time no see.

So the latter as you stated above is what is considered an exploit?

Thanks. You are the first person to actually give me a real definition. I had considered it more of a loosely defined word and was using it so and was not intentionally using it for all the negative connotations. I was using it because I beleived it to be an exploit as I understood it. The other posters did not give me an alternate definition than what I posted.

There was no intent here to misuse a word as I stated in earlier posts.. I also still have other people who say my use of 'exploit' is correct considering the patch checked off some of the new ships but not all. My refusal to edit was due to my belief that the word I chose most closely resembled what I was trying to describe.

Thanks again.

Bo

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-02-21 13:50:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Dante Uisen
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Does it really matter? You're just intentionally using a different definition of exploit in an effort of trying to obfuscate the matter for some odd reason.


To exploit just means you advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability, it could be a change to the overview configuration or the technetium bottleneck it don't really matter.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#60 - 2013-02-21 13:52:37 UTC
So technically that means black ops are exploits.

1 minute they arent on ur overview
next minute theyre all there kicking yo ass!

DAMN EXPLOITERS