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Bad past? Here's how to deal with it.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-21 08:08:42 UTC
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

dark heartt
#2 - 2013-02-21 08:18:25 UTC
Except now you've told them all about it...
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#3 - 2013-02-21 08:27:43 UTC
The things hershman did cannot be undone

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#4 - 2013-02-21 08:32:21 UTC
It's a little bit grey...
The rules of the Bazaar are designed to keep it seperate from the Metagame after all - and this is very definitly meta...

It's not, as a specific scenario, against the rules per se; but its something of a risk.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-02-21 08:35:16 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
Except now you've told them all about it...

I don't plan on using it myself.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#6 - 2013-02-21 08:48:16 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#7 - 2013-02-21 08:51:48 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
It's not, as a specific scenario, against the rules per se; but its something of a risk.


Of what? If it's not against the rules, what do you think the risk is?

Also, I see nothing in the rules of the Character Bazaar that indicates that it is intended to be walled off from the metagame. The ban on scams is simply to allow similar functionality to the in game market (where you will always get the item you paid for, and exactly the item you paid for, at exactly the price you paid). There's no ban on overpriced characters, afterall.

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-02-21 10:18:14 UTC
What a novel idea, I never thought of it before.

Honest.
Whitehound
#9 - 2013-02-21 10:19:54 UTC
Still would not take the guy. Who buys a character with a terrible corp history??

Biomass!

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Bob Nesta Marley
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-02-21 10:20:00 UTC
Ey wot ya know, brudda? No rude boy be scopin dis ting, seen? Respect
Pepper Mind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-21 10:24:18 UTC
And suddenly you have to have a character, which fits in Full Api-Key stories.
If you say, you bought it with PLEX, they probably reject you, because of missing experience.
If you make a mistake in your story, they'd know that you have another account, want this api too.
Sollution: Let your Gf talk in teamspeak, everyone believes you.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#12 - 2013-02-21 12:03:29 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)



Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve.

I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED!
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-02-21 12:14:19 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)



Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve.

I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED!

Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp?

I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****.

I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe.

That and I have alts that are clean, you no nothing about, and could be in your corp right now; just waiting.
Kristopher Rocancourt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-02-21 12:31:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)


excellent idea

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Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#15 - 2013-02-21 12:37:09 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)



Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve.

I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED!

Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp?


What do I get if I let in a Goon, I'll tell ya, I get screwed.

Quote:
I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****.

I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe.


Dosen't matter, Guilt by association. Once a Goon always a Goon

Quote:
That and I have alts that are clean, you no nothing about, and could be in your corp right now; just waiting.


I guarantee, that's not the case.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#16 - 2013-02-21 12:43:56 UTC
And then you'll get rejected because the corp only wants people with legit characters and not bought ones.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-02-21 12:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
They'll never know the difference. ;)

character ids and account ids are handed out sequentially.

ask for old-style api keys and you can use the userid to get a good estimate (by comparing it to known userids/creation dates from other alliance members) on when the account was created.

usually it would be a red flag if the characters on an account are much younger or older than the account itself (a character might have been bought, characters might be hidden via biomass, ...) - but in your scenario the character and account might have been created at roughly the same time and tip the security guys off that a character transfer never happened.

I don't know if there are other ways (than old-style api keys) for a 3rd party to get your userid and verify it (you yourself can get it from the debug monitor or your settings files) but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that such ways exist and are used.

.

Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-02-21 13:11:29 UTC
Confirming that I am the original owner of James Amril-Kesh.
John DaiSho
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2013-02-21 13:24:48 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp?

I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****.

I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe.

That and I have alts that are clean, you no nothing about, and could be in your corp right now; just waiting.


Goonswarm has a big, self build reputation as players that are very loyal to other goons but will happily scam everyone that is not one of their closest friends/allies for their own gain, and they are proud of it.
I am sure, in between that thousands of players in there, there are some that do not do such a thing. But they have to understand that it will be very hard, if not impossible, to convince others that they are that one out of a thousand that does not scam/steal/whatever.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#20 - 2013-02-21 14:25:40 UTC
Didn't want to be in that corp anyway.
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