Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have to disagree with that "nothing but" claim.

An unsieged Dreadnaught does as much DPS as a battleship, roughly.


The only tactical ability of a Dreadnought is its ability to reach ~8000DPS with the siege mode. That's its only real "Trick" so to speak.


Otherwise, there is little reason to not just field 10 battleships for the same price with 5 logistics ships, and you get the same, yet more mobile and better DPS fleet. Dreadnoughts really don't offer much to a fleet, and the changes I don't foresee an improvement in deployment. A 5 minute timer is nice, but doesn't exactly do much to change the fact that it is immobile and is unable to hit much except stationary targets.


So, is that 10,000 DPS workhorse going to come back to the battlefield with the supercap nerf? Well, I don't see why. They are still going to be vulnerable to those same exact ships as they were, 5 minute timer does nothing to change that realistically. And supercaps are just going to need more subcap support than before. Fine for larger fleets.


I don't foresee any major military in EVE improving on developing tactics for those ships. With the number of Supercaps they have available, there is simply better siege weaponry out there, even if it's less functional now than it was. The only reason for anyone to field Dreadnoughts in place of Battleships or Supercaps is if all the supercaps get blown up and noone wants to replace them.

So, how long does it take to destroy the 3000+ Supercarriers in existence? That is when the Dreadnought will become useful again.

I agree that dreads should get their tracking balanced. Being unable to hit a supercarrier at 20 km's because its moving is ridiculous.

I don't like the idea of a dread fleet being a successful counter to a subcap fleet. Perhaps it would be alright against Armor BS's, but definitely not against Kiting BC gangs.

fielding 15 ships would be nice and safe but when you don't have the People to Take down the Tower, you need to bring out the Dreadnaught

I just unhappy that Super carriers do such a better job against Sov Structures than a Dreadanaught, a task it was designed for.

I hope that the new Proposed cap changes make the Dreads role more requested

Do you really not get it that it is a game? It has nothing to do whatsoever with what this ship class in real world do.
None of the ships in eve would exist in real life since only a moron would design a 15 kilometers long ship which cannot shoot down a small ship. This applies to every ship class, a real world battleship would have no problem destroying a frigate. EVE battleships do.

Its not like that in EVE becouse ccp are stupid, its to encourage team play and having fun with your buddies...
If you have problem with that, play a single player RPG or one of the dozens of other single player spaceship games.

Eh its more of a thought that dreadnoughts arnt even the best at their intended role off slinging high explosives at structures. a SC can kill SBUs, I hubs, and TCUs better, and a SC can spend like 20 min incaping all a POSs offensive mods so the Safer BS gang can come and take down the POS. Even the SC nerf and slight dread buff wont change that much.

I still think they should have some anti sub cap abilitys, titans will still dooms day you and SCs still devour capitals and make you out 1.5 bil if you overly use your dreads and get hot droped.

Im sure less Super cap pilots will cry over the nerf if they thought they would get tons more opertunitys to catch dreads with their pants down fighting BSs

Actually, another thing which could help dreads in the anti-sub-captal arena are weapon batteries. AKA point defense systems.

I made a thread on this subject here but the gist of it is, you have a single weapon which functions similarly to 2 or more weapons of a smaller size (including using higher volume of the smaller ammunition, where applicable), which takes up a single hardpoint, and uses slightly more resources (PG and CPU) than a weapon of the size your ship would field normally.

They already have this feature in Assault Launchers (the cruiser modules which fire standard missiles) and I'd like to see it expanded to alot of other weapon types. The idea overall needs some work and balancing, but I do think it's something that could benefit the game, and not just on the capital scale.

When I think of a dreadnought, I think of a slow, hard hitting person.

The faster the target is, the more they suffer.

The slower the target is, the more likely they are to hit them.

If the target is stationary, it's f'd.

Dreads should be able to knock the crap out of anything, but have problems doing so when the target is moving.

In other words, they hit structures damn hard.

They hit supers fairly well.

They can barely hit bs's.

And they can't really hit anything smaller.

But if either of those targets is slowed to a crawl or immoble, than it's gonna knock off a huge chunk of paint.

It's slow, has a hard time hitting targets the faster they are and the smaller they are, but if it gets a solid hit on you..... Stick your head between your legs and kiss your @ss goodbye, cause you're gonna die pretty soon.

Edit... Also, they have a lot of armor, but depend mostly on fear to thwart off their opponents.
In other words, lot of armor, but weak resists

The plain fact is that support fleets currently are pretty much superfluous. If the enemy group has a momblob, (and if any of you have done any sov grinding lately, you realize most of the large groups most certainly do) then the support fleet is a waste of time.

"Supercarriers" represent an "I win button" and basically can be used to massively disrupt any efforts smaller, start-up groups have of ever holding sovereignty, even in lowly regions like providence. Support fleets don't enter into it. Unless you have stable sov, you can't really build supercaps, and at the same time, unless you have supercaps, you can't hold sov. It's ridiculous.

This catch-22 could be completely disrupted by the development of the dread into the AK-47 if you will of the EVE universe - an effective, relatively inexpensive weapon that can be acquired by pretty much everyone and used to great effect. If dreads were capable of doing what ships of that role are supposed to be able to do, even small groups could successfully defend their sov space by using them, and the larger mom blob groups would have at least some reason to hesitate to use their expensive "I win buttons" out of fear of disaster, namely, that a small group of determined and well-led dread pilots could take down a few of their moms.

let's face it - dreads have nowhere near the EHP of a supercarrier or titan. Currently they also have absolutely no chance in hell of beating a group of moms and titans. This is what should never have been allowed to happen. And the simple solution to these problems is, give us the weapon we need to defend ourselves. Give us a dread that is extremely effective against supercaps, while at the same time able to defend itself ably against battleships. Dreads would still be defeated by greater numbers of dreads and supers. BUT - they would no longer be a massive waste of time on the battlefield. And due to their being relatively easy to acquire, we would see a whole new generation of EVE pilots, currently sick of EVE's end game (realizing as I have that sov grinding is a waste of time in the face of the current political situation in EVE) might just come back to the game if they felt they had a chance of actually making a difference.

Dreads should be a special weapon unto themselves. They should inspire fear. Currently they only inspire contempt.

A good friend and alliance leader said tonight, "unless something changes, the next good MMO that comes out is going to gut EVE's subscribership" - and he is dead right.