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Sovereignty - the "Castle - Fortress"

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#21 - 2013-02-22 02:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
P.S. This should be required watching for EVE Players... and everyone else. (Audio not safe for Work).


What a carebear that prick is. "My wallet balance is higher than yours so I'm winning the game!" He doesn't even understand how sad his existence is. He should use those brass balls to get the courage to do something interesting with the money he makes.


Trolling or missing the point. Too tired to be sure which.

The point is that the world doesn't care about what you do for yourself or what you are "as a person." The world cares about results. Tweak the tone only slightly and it's rareden's post on newbies starting corps.

His wallet being bigger is evidence of him winning a game where the only result that matters is sales (and the resulting commissions). He's saying that "I'm trying hard" or "I'm a nice guy" don't actually cut it because nobody gives a flying how hard you're trying or how nice you are if you can't get it done.


Your "tear wallet*" being big is evidence of you winning a game where the result that matters is success (how often do you get excited about failing to catch anything on Safari?). Your blog would be ******* awful if it were just posts like "well, I tried to catch this badger, but then he warped away then laughed at me in local and booted me from corp. But I tried and that's what matters." And you know that, which is why you don't brag about any mundane, boring failures you may have.

*whatever you'd like to name the measure of your success. Doesn't have to be easily quantifiable.


P.S. I do enjoy your blog.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
BEPOHNKA
Ner Vod Fleet Systems
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2013-02-22 05:15:44 UTC
Indeed great to start a topic and keeps fun going around. Arrow
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2013-02-22 05:38:22 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Ohishi wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Finally, you don't seem to understand what an "ISK Fountain" is.
If it pours ISK into your wallet like Niagara Falls pours water into Lake Ontario, then yes it is a fountain. It doesn't matter if it is coming from PCs or NPCs. ISK sinks are the only thing that only have one meaning.

They say ignorance is bliss. If we could bottle yours, we'd put therapists out of work.

I suspect we'd run into issues of addiction.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-02-22 08:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Doobie
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Sorry, but any suggestions to change sov mechanics, for better or worse, will always be shot down by the loyal servants of The Big Blue Doughnut who fervently guard the forums for any sacrilegious suggestions that might in any way constrict the ease & flow of their massive moon-goo ISK fountains.

Yes, sov is broken, but it's broken in a way that very influential groups happen to approve of. No changes will be coming anytime soon.



Well, we are to blame, not them.

We continue to subscribe.

What incentive is there for them to make changes when we continue to pay them?

It's like the civil rights movement. What incentive is there for the Bus companies to treat you any better when you continue to do business with them.

The boycotts changed their minds.

As long as we continue to sub, CCP will continue to pander to the big blue. WE outnumber THEM, but we don't use it to our advantage. There is no excuse for Shadoo, Mittens and Monty to be running this entire game, but they do and it is entirely, 100%, unequivocally, undoubtedly our fault.

In fact the devs/ISDs won't even bother deleting this post...because they know it won't change anything. EVE players will continue to pay them.

Devs come into threads like this and don't even bother addressing the issue. They instead feed trolls. They not only do nothing about the problems, they mock the people talking about them by coming to the thread to troll, lol.

Customers that pay you for a defective product while you insult them.

I'm in the wrong damned business.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#25 - 2013-02-22 09:40:44 UTC
BEPOHNKA wrote:
Hello,

Wondering what would it be like for alliances to only need to own small area of space and made to "enforce out side the castle."

Castle area which could take week to conquer over time. Mount of space needed to have the castle would be about 10 systems. and your only allow one castle. The timers would basally set higher then ones out side the castle systems.

none - castle systems which hold sovereignty can be turn in hours with need of only small gangs.

So any none castle systems could be fight over and over in one days time for the fun. which could include some type of "capture" feel.


Wondering how this type of game play could work as look for making fleets of alliance enforce their space and keep it clean.



.... i prefer the word... "fortresss"
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-02-22 10:45:28 UTC
Space castles, who wouldn't want one?

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs14/f/2006/357/1/a/Space_castle_by_sternban.jpg

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#27 - 2013-02-22 11:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Yonis Kador
Max Doobie wrote:

As long as we continue to sub, CCP will continue to pander to the big blue. WE outnumber THEM, but we don't use it to our advantage. There is no excuse for Shadoo, Mittens and Monty to be running this entire game, but they do and it is entirely, 100%, unequivocally, undoubtedly our fault.


Max, I think you're operating under a false premise. Numbers are important to the bottom line, but numbers alone do not determine the quality or quantity of pgc. Null sec corps aren't catered to by accident. As those guys are frequent instigators and enablers, it's policy.

From the Winter 2012 CSM minutes, pg. 10:

"Essentially the "social value, or social equity" of a player group increases as you move from right to left (from solo to group play on the whiteboard,) even though the size of that player group becomes much smaller in number. In other words, the 10,000 combined instigators and enablers become as equally valuable as the much larger lurking population."

So even though "lurking single players who are already subscribed are the vast majority of characters on Tranquility," their numbers alone do not dictate that player group's worth to the game.

Actually everyone should read "Eve Online - The Next Decade" (pgs. 3-18) of the CSM minutes if you haven't already. The Seagull/Unifex interview is one of my favorite parts in the entire 113 pgs.

YK
CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2013-02-22 11:14:41 UTC
Cleaned this thread up. Please stay on the topic of the thread, and away from various mammals.

CCP Gargant | EVE Universe esports Coordinator
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-02-22 16:12:26 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what I just read. But I think it was a terrible idea.

Exactly what I was going to say.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2013-02-22 17:02:38 UTC
ITTigerClawIK wrote:
BEPOHNKA wrote:

Wondering what would it be like for alliances to only need to own small area of space and made to "enforce out side the castle."

Castle area which could take week to conquer over time. Mount of space needed to have the castle would be about 10 systems. and your only allow one castle. The timers would basally set higher then ones out side the castle systems.

none - castle systems which hold sovereignty can be turn in hours with need of only small gangs.

So any none castle systems could be fight over and over in one days time for the fun. which could include some type of "capture" feel.

Wondering how this type of game play could work as look for making fleets of alliance enforce their space and keep it clean.

.... i prefer the word... "fortresss"

Fortress Delve.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-02-22 23:46:32 UTC
CCP Gargant wrote:
Cleaned this thread up. Please stay on the topic of the thread, and away from various mammals.

All hail Gargant the all seeing, all knowing and only somewhat powerful.
May his reign over the forums be as grand as his reign is in improving the game.
Praise him, praise his name!

Also I approve of the idea that renters get to own the space they reside in with the alliances just providing border security.
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